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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2008, 10:17:40 PM »
Quote from: JohnE on August 03, 2008, 07:47:02 PM

Check out the BBE Sonic Maximizer. 

Thats interesting JohnE, I already had the G-sharp flagged as my next purchase effects wise. I will indeed check out a BBE. I'm assuming you are running without a any sort of dumbleator.

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2008, 10:30:41 PM »
Just spent 10 minutes researching the BBE Sonic Maximiser and it seems to do a similar job to the Aphex Aural Exciter pedal I have, mainly enhancing low and high frequencies. I tried the Aphex in the loop and it wouldn't have it, I guess its not a line level device. I know they do rack mount units eg the 204

http://www.aphex.com/204.htm

As with much of these type units there's not much info around on using them with a guitar rig. Be nice if you could footswitch them in and out of circuit. I'd be interested if anyone has tried these, the Aphex seem much more common here in the UK whilst the BBE appears much less so.
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2008, 10:40:53 PM »
Quote from: JohnE on August 03, 2008, 07:47:02 PM
I just wanted to pass on to you my latest upgrade that has yielded remarkable results with the strat. The best part is you don't have to mod your OTS to make it a Two Rock and you can accomplish this a lot cheaper than buying that TR.

As I have mentioned before, I have settings on my OTS that get a very good fenderish tone with my strat. The first key is to leave the deep switch off and stay out of the "rock" mode. These add that mid-range that makes the strat sound somewhat bloated.  Now, I have just set-up a rack with a TC Electronic G-sharp and a BBE Sonic Maximizer 482i. I bought both new for a total of less than $280 US. They are running through the effects loop.

With the OTS set up at 5 across the board except having the mid and base at about 7, Bright on, Deep off, Jazz on, OD and PAB on, I have a tone that far exceeds may '66 BFSR. The sonic maximizer will give you that "bigger tone,  full bass with superior clarity" that heard in the TR. That is what it is design to do. The guitar actually has a very clean tone with the above settings. I just tried it with my FullDrive 2 to get a little hair on the tone and it was very, very nice.

Check out the BBE Sonic Maximizer. 


Sounds nice! any chance you can get some clips up with the above settings??
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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 03:04:00 AM »
Quote from: hywelg on August 03, 2008, 10:30:41 PM
Just spent 10 minutes researching the BBE Sonic Maximiser and it seems to do a similar job to the Aphex Aural Exciter pedal I have, mainly enhancing low and high frequencies. I tried the Aphex in the loop and it wouldn't have it, I guess its not a line level device. I know they do rack mount units eg the 204

http://www.aphex.com/204.htm

As with much of these type units there's not much info around on using them with a guitar rig. Be nice if you could footswitch them in and out of circuit. I'd be interested if anyone has tried these, the Aphex seem much more common here in the UK whilst the BBE appears much less so.

Hywel,
I have never heard of the Aphex, but it could not be any thing like the BBE 482i. The biggest problem with the the BBE is that you don't want to play without it, ever again.  It gives your live sound a professional recording quality. I don't know if your familiar with harmony central, but there are quite a few reviews by guitarists for the Sonic Maximizer. I am talking about the mid-priced rack version here, I don't know if the pedal version is any good.

The G-Sharp is pretty cool. It has way more features than I would use and a good deal of the effects don't sound that great to me. I wanted to set up my effects loop stuff in a rack for ease of gig set-up and it works great for that. The level control is very useful. I got the BBE rack unit as an alternative to a dumbulator or kleinulator and it has been a very pleasant surprise.

In closing I just wanted to pass on that I have found that the OTS is tricky when it comes to getting good tone from the Stratocaster. This is a consequence of all the different features available. With the Super Reverb and mic'ing through the board, the settings never change.  When I plug in the Les Paul to the SR I turn down from 4 to 3 and turn on the bright switch, done. With the OTS it s a major process to switch instruments.

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« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2008, 03:13:43 AM »
Quote from: cadsy48 on August 03, 2008, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: JohnE on August 03, 2008, 07:47:02 PM
I just wanted to pass on to you my latest upgrade that has yielded remarkable results with the strat. The best part is you don't have to mod your OTS to make it a Two Rock and you can accomplish this a lot cheaper than buying that TR.

As I have mentioned before, I have settings on my OTS that get a very good fenderish tone with my strat. The first key is to leave the deep switch off and stay out of the "rock" mode. These add that mid-range that makes the strat sound somewhat bloated.  Now, I have just set-up a rack with a TC Electronic G-sharp and a BBE Sonic Maximizer 482i. I bought both new for a total of less than $280 US. They are running through the effects loop.

With the OTS set up at 5 across the board except having the mid and base at about 7, Bright on, Deep off, Jazz on, OD and PAB on, I have a tone that far exceeds may '66 BFSR. The sonic maximizer will give you that "bigger tone,  full bass with superior clarity" that heard in the TR. That is what it is design to do. The guitar actually has a very clean tone with the above settings. I just tried it with my FullDrive 2 to get a little hair on the tone and it was very, very nice.

Check out the BBE Sonic Maximizer. 


Sounds nice! any chance you can get some clips up with the above settings??

I am not set up for computer recording, so I can't get something out quick. Sorry. I do have a 16 track digital recorder that I can produce .mp3's with. It resides at my band's rehearsal space and I don't use the OTS at rehearsal. However  I  gig with the OTS and my next gig is on 9 August. I will see if we can set up the recorder for the gig and record something that will give you an idea of what is going on with the BBE 482i and my strat settings.
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2008, 10:45:04 PM »
no problems mate cheers for that!

i mean without having heard the two side by side in real life, i cant make a definitive comment.  but i think the consensus is that the TR has a tighter smoothness to it, harmonically too, and just has a crystal clarity when attacking the strings that bring out the highs but without any harshness, if that makes sense...

these sorts of things seem to be things that can be tweaked into a circuit such as the OTS however...i just need to hear and see it done bc i know bugger all about fiddling with amps!!
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2008, 01:05:04 AM »
Quote from: JohnE on August 04, 2008, 03:13:43 AM
Quote from: cadsy48 on August 03, 2008, 10:40:53 PM
Quote from: JohnE on August 03, 2008, 07:47:02 PM
I just wanted to pass on to you my latest upgrade that has yielded remarkable results with the strat. The best part is you don't have to mod your OTS to make it a Two Rock and you can accomplish this a lot cheaper than buying that TR.

As I have mentioned before, I have settings on my OTS that get a very good fenderish tone with my strat. The first key is to leave the deep switch off and stay out of the "rock" mode. These add that mid-range that makes the strat sound somewhat bloated.  Now, I have just set-up a rack with a TC Electronic G-sharp and a BBE Sonic Maximizer 482i. I bought both new for a total of less than $280 US. They are running through the effects loop.

With the OTS set up at 5 across the board except having the mid and base at about 7, Bright on, Deep off, Jazz on, OD and PAB on, I have a tone that far exceeds may '66 BFSR. The sonic maximizer will give you that "bigger tone,  full bass with superior clarity" that heard in the TR. That is what it is design to do. The guitar actually has a very clean tone with the above settings. I just tried it with my FullDrive 2 to get a little hair on the tone and it was very, very nice.

Check out the BBE Sonic Maximizer. 


Sounds nice! any chance you can get some clips up with the above settings??

I am not set up for computer recording, so I can't get something out quick. Sorry. I do have a 16 track digital recorder that I can produce .mp3's with. It resides at my band's rehearsal space and I don't use the OTS at rehearsal. However  I  gig with the OTS and my next gig is on 9 August. I will see if we can set up the recorder for the gig and record something that will give you an idea of what is going on with the BBE 482i and my strat settings.


John, do you still have any recordings?  I'm still curious Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2008, 07:54:11 AM »
Me too.

Just received my BBe Max-X2 which is a crossover (which I intend bridging) with Sonic maximiser built in. Also have a G# to go in the loop. Will report back on how it fares.
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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2008, 04:59:11 PM »
Quote from: hywelg on September 18, 2008, 07:54:11 AM
Me too.

Just received my BBe Max-X2 which is a crossover (which I intend bridging) with Sonic maximiser built in. Also have a G# to go in the loop. Will report back on how it fares.

ooo great!  if you can record it, can you record it with and without the effects in the loop?  i want to see how big of a difference it makes
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2008, 07:21:40 PM »
Quote from: cadsy48 on August 02, 2008, 03:13:50 AM
thats true, two rock claim to be an amp all of their own and not a clone...

in which case, shouldnt we be pushing nik to create a Two-Rock CR sig clone??  Grin Wink

YES! If Nik made a Two-Rock Custom reverb sig Clone.  I would snatch it up in a heartbeat!
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2008, 08:26:20 PM »
Quote from: Handonam on September 19, 2008, 04:59:11 PM
ooo great!  if you can record it, can you record it with and without the effects in the loop?  i want to see how big of a difference it makes
It does make a very big difference but I think you'd need studio recording facilities to be able to hear it, which I dont' have, in fact I don't have any decent recording facilities unfortunately. I can confirm all that others have said about the sonic maximiser, it gives you a much bigger sound altogether, but whether it is a big as a TR CRS without a BBE I couldn't say, but getting close I would hope.

The thing is this BBE Max-X2 was £50 second hand from a shop with a warranty so its not going to break the bank. They have more of them if anyone in the UK is interested.

http://www.doubleball.co.uk/acatalog/XL2XL_Clearance_Items.html

If Nik could make a TR CRS he would be swamped by orders and lawyers letters!
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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2008, 06:54:21 PM »
Hello guys,

  You guys do like to tempt me huh? Smiley

  Anyone checked out the Hilden ODS on ebay? I think it sounds great, much more fendery than OTS.

  I think it's early 80s with fender values (still has accent knob).

  Maybe I'll do that version too.

  Hey, I'll do a free amp to anyone who can give me the MOST complete detail for SSS. This includes chassis/hole sizing info (CAD would be great), schemos, layouts, original pics, etc, and can consult/teach if I see something weird. Any takers? Smiley

THanks!

Nik

 
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2008, 08:14:51 PM »
Quote from: ampkits on September 28, 2008, 06:54:21 PM

  Hey, I'll do a free amp to anyone who can give me the MOST complete detail for SSS. This includes chassis/hole sizing info (CAD would be great), schemos, layouts, original pics, etc, and can consult/teach if I see something weird. Any takers? Smiley

THanks!

Nik

 

Wish I could help you.  All I can tell you is where not to ask!   Grin

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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2008, 10:38:55 PM »
Jim,

  Hehe...I think I know that already, no free amp for you! LOL!

Nik

Quote from: Jimmyd on September 28, 2008, 08:14:51 PM

Wish I could help you.  All I can tell you is where not to ask!   Grin

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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2008, 12:11:20 PM »
Quote from: ampkits on September 28, 2008, 06:54:21 PM
Hello guys,

  You guys do like to tempt me huh? Smiley

  Anyone checked out the Hilden ODS on ebay? I think it sounds great, much more fendery than OTS.

  I think it's early 80s with fender values (still has accent knob).

  Maybe I'll do that version too.

  Hey, I'll do a free amp to anyone who can give me the MOST complete detail for SSS. This includes chassis/hole sizing info (CAD would be great), schemos, layouts, original pics, etc, and can consult/teach if I see something weird. Any takers? Smiley

THanks!

Nik

 


I hate to say it, but I think anyone who has that information already would probably be building their own SSS clone!!

I would love to see a Two Rock flavoured Ceriatone amp though, maybe a single channel, clean only....reverb would be the icing on the cake...you could take some inspiration from the Fender AB763 circuits in the blackface era amps...
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