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« on: April 17, 2008, 07:25:20 PM »

I'm in a quandry, there are far too many choices. I can rule out Jensen P10R's since I already have a 4x10 cab ready but its not covered in the right colour to go with my Overtone (cab not made yet) I'm going to make a 2x12 cab and a combo and see which I like best.

I'm hearing a lot of good things about Emi RW&B, and not just in here, and also Texas Heat's. So for my 2x12 I think I'm going to go with one of each since the Texas is supposed to have a bigger bottom end and the RW&B a brighter top. I know the Texas Heat is less efficient but I'm not sure thats going to make a lot of difference.

For the combo I'll try each in turn I think.

Any other suggestions, I know a G12-65 is well thought of, but is acknowledged not to have the top end of the RW&B. What about G12H Heritage? And Weber speakers? So many choices, but the Eminence are better priced in the Uk than the  Celestions, about 2/3rds the cost so I'm drawn to them.

OF course I could just use two the same!!

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Hywel Harris

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008, 07:51:35 PM »

i'm not sure 10s are a good choice for a dumble though they probably would sound great for the clean channel when it's pushed. I can't help you with the british speakers other than the 1265 because that's the only one I've played with a d-clone amp. The 1265 is the best speaker other than an EV for the robben sound but overall I don't like it. Sounds awful with a strat IMO. I don't think you'll need any more bottom than what a RW&B speaker has. Not sure a texas speaker would be a great match for a d-clone amp either.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2008, 07:57:45 PM »

LOL and I just ordered a cab with 2 Celestions G12-65's Bummer.

Larry Carlton's tech has some interesting remarks about his cab. EVM-12L
http://mr335.tv/index.html?req=1&station=rig&video=mr335/interview/335tv_amplification
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 08:21:52 PM »

I'm running an old Marshall 2x12 with my Overtone (arrived yesterday  Chair Dance) which has a G12-65 & a Vintage 30- and sounds amazing even at the very low volume I'm having to play at home- however I'm about to give my Overtone a good thrashing at a local gig tomorrow night- it's in a huge hall so I'll give a report afterwards if your interested - I'm also going to try a pair of Celestion Blues in an old Vox cab this Saturday- could be very interesting... Cool  But choosing the right speaker is super important IMHO...
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2008, 08:50:30 PM »

I'd be very interested in how both the Marshall cab and the Blues perform. Don't turn it right up though with the Blues! I don't think my budget will stetch to two of those, I could have another Ceriatone for that price.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2008, 09:24:40 PM »

I have a Jensen C12K that came out of my old Fender DRRI.
Mounted it in a homemade cabinet and it sounds great at low
volumes.
Couldn't test at a higher volume because it was late in the evening.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2008, 10:05:06 PM »

LOL and I just ordered a cab with 2 Celestions G12-65's Bummer.


Don't sweat it Steve, this is definitely a matter or taste. I swapped out my Alnico Tone Tubby for a 1265 and it has now become one of my favorite speakers. It adds body and depth to a strat and is not biting like many other speakers. I guess it depends on your ears and what your looking for, but I don't think you'll be disappointed. I think I can nail some delicious blues tones and some clean Mayer tones as well.

Check out some of Marin's clips with a strat, overtone, and a 1265 on either youtube or the topic on cabinets.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 03:58:23 PM »

I'm really liking the G12-65 speaker, but I have  never tried a EVM-12L.

Can someone explain the difference between the two to me?

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 04:35:30 PM »

I want to second Marin's comments here. I love these clips of a EVM12-L in a 1x12 (different D-clone though), but wonder if such a high wattage capable speaker will sound this good at low volumes too...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=120568&content=songinfo&songID=6458429 -Clean tone
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=120568&content=songinfo&songID=6458866 -Blues tone

Thoughts?
JT
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 04:40:40 PM »

Yeah, every one is talking well about the EV as a high powered professional speaker (200W, nice cleans, headroom, etc....).

I'm not sure that I need that. Lets face it: I am a home player now.

Even the G12-65 is quite powerful for a home studio environment and I am actually planning to put it in a iso-cab. I find that it is well EQ-ed for me even at low volumes. Does the EV need to be cranked to sound good?

I'm wondering if the EV can be of interest to me if needs to be a concert-stage volume level?

Am wrong/right/saying BS?


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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 05:25:03 PM »

Marin,
Since I plan to build my own 1x12 for whatever speaker this search results in, I have been reading a variety of web articles. While this one is a bit basic for my needs, I did find it a chuckle.

http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/speaker_design.html

JT
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008, 07:47:37 PM »

I want to second Marin's comments here. I love these clips of a EVM12-L in a 1x12 (different D-clone though), but wonder if such a high wattage capable speaker will sound this good at low volumes too...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=120568&content=songinfo&songID=6458429 -Clean tone
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=120568&content=songinfo&songID=6458866 -Blues tone

Thoughts?
JT

Those clips do sound good. I especially liked the clean tone - tons of low end but not farty.
Although, I think alot of that tone can be attributed to that ported Hermidia cab. Yes the speaker sounds good too, I'm just saying that cab is also a huge factor.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008, 08:05:25 PM »

I am using the EVM-12L and it sounds great both at home and in the 1000 seat auditorium I play at regularly.   At low and high volumes the tones are great from this speaker.  I built a hardwood combo amp for the Overtone and this is the speaker that is mounted in the cab.

I have not compared it with the G12-65.  I guess I'm not planning to make this comparison because I'm satisfied with the EVM.  I do have a Celestion Classic Lead 80 that does sound nice with the Overtone and I use this in an extension cab when playing in a large place.   

From what I've read and the clips I've listened to, the G12-65 also sounds very good.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 08:09:07 PM »

does the EVM have a smooth, pronounced midrange and rolled off high?
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2008, 12:46:15 AM »

I want to second Marin's comments here. I love these clips of a EVM12-L in a 1x12 (different D-clone though), but wonder if such a high wattage capable speaker will sound this good at low volumes too...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=120568&content=songinfo&songID=6458429 -Clean tone
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=120568&content=songinfo&songID=6458866 -Blues tone

Thoughts?
JT

Those clips do sound good. I especially liked the clean tone - tons of low end but not farty.
Although, I think alot of that tone can be attributed to that ported Hermidia cab. Yes the speaker sounds good too, I'm just saying that cab is also a huge factor.
I completely agree that the cab plays a major role in the performance of the speaker. I have some small experience in designing and building speaker enclosures for multi-driver full range audio, and am fairly comfortable with how the various types of enclosures can affect the power handling and frequency response.
Based on the responses to this thread, and others pursuing a similar goal (that of great sound from a Ceriatone OTS through a 1x12), I plan to build my own cab to best suit that goal. So far the clips of the EVM-12L through the Hermidia ported cab are in first place IMHO.
I have found the exterior dimensions for that cab, and can get very close on the diam. of the ports from the images. I may have to play a bit with the length of the port tubes, but that is not hard to do.
My largest concern centered on the power handling of the EVM-12L (200W) and if that would negatively effect its quality at lower volumes. In many high-fi audio drivers high power handing is achieved with very stiff cones and surrounds, resulting in poor low volume performance and the side effect of lowering speaker efficiency. Although I have not been able to find a db SPL rating for the EVM, based on the very large magnet and cast aluminum basket, it appears these are the way EV has gone to maintain high efficiency and power handling at the same time. If that is the case, the driver "should" still sound good at lower levels...
Since I still have 9 weeks left until my OTS is delivered, the search continues!

JT
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