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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2011, 02:21:49 PM »

I am amazed to see that my comments caused such a sensation here. I am sorry if my words were thoughtless. I think I was too impatient about my new toy. I should have waited and seen how it grows at least using it for a year or so. Just like my Fender 65 Twin Reverb or Deluxe Reverb, I was expecting this Ceriatone stuff as a"ready to go" style amp. But I was wrong Undecided This one has so many switches and the control knobs that becomes many many factors to change the sound and they make sound making very complicated. Adding to that, I got to think of C-lator's settings, too. I am going take a deep breath and just have fun playing and puzzling with them.

By the way, does anyone know which position is this amps' flat tone setting? For example, Twin Reverb's is that Bass 0, mid 10, Treble 0. I wonder what's for HRM...

I am going to make my HRM BM debut at a live gig this weekend, I hope it will work fine there.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2011, 06:40:37 PM »

i think instead of all the tweaking and surgery i've been considering, i'm just gonna dial in the tone controls to a pleasing setting then use my old faithful Boss GE-7 to boost the brightness and dial some of the bass out when i want it. i really think like all the other have said that i've been overthinking this whole thing, i mean i'm supposed to enjoy this, right? Smiley cheers ya'll and happy monday!!

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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2011, 09:36:51 PM »

i think instead of all the tweaking and surgery i've been considering, i'm just gonna dial in the tone controls to a pleasing setting then use my old faithful Boss GE-7 to boost the brightness and dial some of the bass out when i want it. i really think like all the other have said that i've been overthinking this whole thing, i mean i'm supposed to enjoy this, right? Smiley cheers ya'll and happy monday!!

Gregg

The BM is a special amp, after 6 months, I kept it and discarded my Fuchs ODS - my recommended settings are:

turn all the controls to 12 o'clock (incl the OD trim)
then turn the treble and presence to  9/10
Turn bass to 3/10 - very important!!
Sounds great with strats
If you have a humbucker, pull the Vol to get it bright.

If you run the master vol at 3 o'clock, and the preamp vol at 9 o'clock, it runs cleaner, but a little darker, decide what you prefer

It sounds excellent with every guitar I own. Strats, Dark jazz archtops, LPs
If you run it through a dark speaker, it sounds poor - do not underestimate this - the BM needs the correct speaker, I prefer the Celestion Gold.
The Matchless 2x12 is good too - very bright.

btw, for anyone out there (not aimed at you Gregg) - with the BM you have entered into the territory of amps that are so good they make most FX pedals sound lame, and most Boss pedals come into this category, so for you Gregg, adding a GE-7 may damage the sound.
I have never bought a modern Boss pedal that did not spoil the sound of my good amps (incl GT10, RC50), I hope the older ones are better. I sold my old Boss pedals before I entered the boutique world (because they made my Ac10 Twin and Twin II sound lame)
You'll need to upgrade your pedals probably! Sorry! Or disconnect them.
Go to any store selling boutique amps and tell them you have a great amp, and tell them you want to try pedals that do not destroy the tone. Although it sounds like voodoo, they will know exactly what you mean, and have a shortlist: carl Martin, Way Huge, EHX Cathedral, TC delay, Xotic etc.

I just use a bit of Carl Martin delay and sometimes compression, more than that kills the tone for me.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2011, 11:41:29 PM »

FYI all Boss Pedals have a buffer in them. The buffer is in the signal even when the pedal is bypassed. I put any pedal with a buffer in a true bypass effects loop switcher device on my pedal board. Especially when I have one of my Delica fuzzes (based upon the old Dallas Arbiter fuzz face)on my board because boss pedal make the signal overly bright.


 So if I can recommend anything its to put your boss pedals in isolated true bypass effects loop switcher. A/B the Boss pedal in the signal to the regular signal from just your guitar straight to the amp and you'll see the difference I'm talking about.
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2011, 02:19:20 AM »

@Tone Control @Greg: Thank you very much for the advice and insight, i always very much appreciate it! You are very much correct in that higher quality amps will show flaws in your equipment and in my case playing style Wink i put guitar down for a few years and i am getting all my muscle memory and technique back and it shows Smiley with your settings my strat sounds very nice indeed, however, my epi sheraton sounds either very dark or very twangy, which i think reflects more on the fact that even though it is one of the "better" korean made epis, the pickups and running gear are crap and the BM only magnifies it.

I have been playing around literally all day with different guitars, speakers, and pedals through the amp, and yes, even though the GE-7 added some nice sparkle, what it took away outweighed it, as did my tubescreamer, which i have never been to fond of anyway. i have my pedal board reduced to my dyna comp, my way huge swollen pickle fuzz, and my boosta grande clean boost, and the sound is much improved. my nos pre amp, tad power amp tubes, and speakers will be here tomorrow, but i still have no cab Sad Gabkits is making me a 2x12 for the amp, and i have no idea when it will be done, what a drag.

Tone Control and others, do you use a c-lator on your BM? I have one on order, and i know alot of people swear by em and they seem to really smooth out and balance the BM out; do you find this to be true.

sorry for the rambling post, but thanks very much for the advice!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2011, 05:38:22 AM »



Others, do you use a c-lator on your BM? I have one on order, and i know alot of people swear by em and they seem to really smooth out and balance the BM out; do you find this to be true.




 IMHO YES, YES, and YES. When my whole rig is together its like magic.

My rig:

 
Mill Creek HRM BM preamp
or
Quinn 183' non-HRM preamp


In to a:


Mill Creek D-lator
 (w/ a T.C. M300 in the loop)

Back in to the BM's 100w power amp


Using either a:
 ported 2x12 w/ EvM's
 ported 2x12 with Celestion g65's
 or a ported 1x12 with an Eminence Texas heat


Each cab has there place for different applications.
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2011, 11:42:42 PM »


Tone Control and others, do you use a c-lator on your BM? I have one on order, and i know alot of people swear by em and they seem to really smooth out and balance the BM out; do you find this to be true.

sorry for the rambling post, but thanks very much for the advice!!

I tried a k-lator. It definitely lets you use FX in the loop without the usual treble loss.
I didn't like it as an amp-add-on, but I like to run amps quite loud anyway, and love the tone of the BM as-is. Usually I run the OD to be only a little grittier than the clean (which is just compressing a little the way I set up), so I am probably not the best candidate for a k-lator or c-lator anyway. The BM sounds fine without one, and as many have learnt, it's hardly simple to dial in the best tones when moving to a d-style amp the first time.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2011, 08:18:14 PM »

I'm happy for you...   Wink

... let us know how the lp tubes will work out for you.


The ANOS GE Long Plates sound beautiful in the HRM BM!!! I originally had A GE Long Plate in V1, A JJ in V2, and the Mullard CV 4024 in V3 I also installed TAD 6L6WGC-STR's in V4 & V5. With the JJ in V2, there was a ton of gain available, but it was a bit harsh and grainy. I put the other GE Long Plate and V2, and voila! Nice warm full overdrive!! I biased the Power tubes to 40 mA and i have to say the amp is very balanced now. Nice and bright, but not too bright, very warm, and "3D" as they say with a lot of depth, and the OD tone is outstanding. The Weber 1265 alnico pre-rolas are a perfect match for this amp... i am very pleased!
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2011, 07:52:31 PM »

Nice to hear you found your tone... but man I'm trying to stay away from those NOS tubes.
Once you start buying those it can become really expensive.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2011, 08:40:08 PM »

Yes it can Smiley i'm going to buy a couple more sets to have on hand just in case. These two were pulled from a mighty wurlitzer apparently. How cool is that?
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2011, 06:58:39 AM »

Man now I feel sorry for that wurlitzer...
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