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106  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: More aggressive sound... adjusting overdrive trimmer? on: March 11, 2010, 08:20:32 PM
6L6's IMO sound loose no matter what guitar amp theyre in, try some EL34's or KT77's to tighten up the bass
107  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Mesa Preamp into Overtone Special on: March 09, 2010, 08:33:02 PM
depending on what you want to do with it. you can either plug into the normal input and use the mesa preamp like a pedal (activating the PAB will bypass the tonestack to let the mesa shine through more) or plug the mesa into the effects loop input which will bypass the preamp and just use the poweramp
108  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: difference overtone and overtone special on: March 07, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
here a mod sheet i did in paint which is why it looks corny Undecided

109  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: difference overtone and overtone special on: March 07, 2010, 08:33:48 PM
I'm not very technically inclined, so apologies for my dumb question.

I assume you refer to the two ceramic caps on the V2 OD tube, the S&M has 270pf and the OTS has 330pf, right? Where is v2b and how would I parallel a 300pf cap across it? Is there possibly a layout for this mod somewhere?

the v2B is one of the caps you mentioned. The V2b is the one closer to the powertubes and PI. To parrallel the cap just wire a second cap exactly like the 270pF (but leave the 270 there) you now have two caps in parrallel which will increase the total capatiance. (add the value of the 2 caps for the total value, you want something close to 600pF but the exact value is not too critical)
110  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: difference overtone and overtone special on: March 07, 2010, 07:24:34 PM
parrallel a 300pf(or similar value) ceramic cap across with the v2b snubber. This will take some high end of the OD. You could raise the value of both snubbers but i prefer raising the v2b because IMO it gives a more dumbly tone. I also changed the choke to a fender blackface twin choke. It made a very small difference and it's only noticable at higher volumes, but it seems to tighten up the bass slightly, 6L6's sound very loose to me
111  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: difference overtone and overtone special on: March 07, 2010, 04:52:52 AM
S&M is much brighter on the OD and sounds more agressive. The normal OTS was modded to sound thicker and warmer, it's also supposed to be better for switching "on the go" meaning that it's much more balanced between the OD and clean. For example, the S&M might be to muddy on the clean channel so you increase the treble, this will also make the OD channel brighter and it could become harsh.

I have an OTS and even though it has the mods to warm the OD channel up i had to add a few mods to thicken it up a bit more.
112  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Is an Overtone something for me? Chime in! on: February 18, 2010, 11:48:55 PM
Many thanks to Erwin to show his Overtone Special and HRM. The lead channel of the HRM sounds a bit too modern for me, the Special is about right and I'm seriously thinking of ordering one Smiley

Is there a way to make the low end of the Special a little bit more tight? I noticed that Erwin's modified Overtone Special with G12-65 speakers can be a little bit flubby, not that bad though but palm mutes don't come out that well at times... Smiley

Thanks!!
Emiel

I attribute that low end looseness to the 6L6's try either EL34's, KT77's or my personal favorite KT88's
113  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Question about 5881s on: February 18, 2010, 06:23:00 PM
Apologies for reviving an old thread but this is exactly my question, so I thought there's no point starting a new thread.

I have a couple of Tung Sol 5881 RIs lying around with me and for a while I've been toying with the idea of trying them out in my 50 watt S&M Special.
I read all about the max. plate voltage issue and yet some of you use Tung Sol 5881s apparently without problems. I'd love to hear more opinions, please.

Furthermore: What tonal differences are there with the 5881 tubes? At what value would you rebias the amp the the 5881s? And what bias value would you recommend for the stock JJ 6L6s?


Like i said i've used them without rebaising and they run fine. Since im pushing these very hard i lost a small amount of clean headroom but the sound was tighter and added a bit of smooth compression. At higher volumes they added a small amount of "grain" which you may or may not like. For low volume playing i like the 6L6's better but after a certain point they sound too loose and the bass is too flabby for me.
114  Ceriatone / Hey What?! / Re: New Hey What?! 504 OL? on: February 14, 2010, 05:33:54 PM
The OL Model (early 80's):
Biacrown's "high gain" model moved back to the Input 1 circuit (still keeping PI 2), but used the "extra" half triode as an additional gain stage.
115  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Trannies: Power/Output/Choke on: February 02, 2010, 09:18:21 PM
correct me if im wrong, but i think you could just use the filament heater 6.3V tap for the relays. My non ceriatone Dumble build does this and works fine
116  Community / Classifieds / Re: WTB / WTT Ceriatone 2204 2203 2550 1987 Lead on: January 31, 2010, 02:37:55 AM
i have an 80's all original hiwatt Lead 50 that i'd be interested in trading. Now before you say anything i know you want a JCM800/Marshall type amp which is why i offered this. The 80's hiwatt i have has a very similar circuit to a JCM800 and sounds very much like one with the gain up, the cleans are still very much hiwatt like. This amp takes pedals amazingly and has an original effects loop and is hand wired point to point. both things that original JCM800's did not have.

let me know if youre interested we can work something out
117  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Trebble problem bluesmaster od channel on: January 30, 2010, 10:25:10 PM
My speakers are fender (from 1970 super reverb)

But I think our problem is not speaker.

IMO the amp just needs to be broken in and could probably use some warmer sounding speakers. I had a similar problem with my non-HRM OTS, the HRM should sound warmer due to it being an HRM and having the internal treble control. Just give it time, the tubes as well as all the components need to break in before they sound their best. after you put about 20 hours on the amp if the amp is still too bright you might need to try some g12-65 or other warmer sounding speakers. Those old 70's speakers can be a bit bright with certain amps. It might sound warmer with a fender due to the mid scoop but the OTS has much more mids which can be percieved as very bright with some speakers
118  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Trebble problem bluesmaster od channel on: January 30, 2010, 07:42:35 PM
Ok, here is the deal.Burak gave the amp to me to test it and find a possible solution.

The clean channel sounds pretty nice,however when ı switch to the od channel there is a constant fizz going on.The amp does not sound fat at all.There was this huge flabby resonating bass going on with a very high end trebly fizz,tearing my ears.So I tried to adjust the internal trimpots by decreasing the bass and treble,
After adjustments the bass became neutral but the treble is still to much.Also I noticed that cranking the drive interracts with the fizzy treble and sound becomes to fuzzy.What could be wrong?

I tried it with Ian Anderson standart with Throbak limiteds and a Prs Mccarty with Wolfetone Marshallheads....

Thats why i suggested to lower the overdrive trim pot. Also Let the amp break in dude. it will lose that fizz and tighten up the bass. What speakers ar you using with the amp?
119  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Trebble problem bluesmaster od channel on: January 30, 2010, 07:21:40 PM
the OD channel shouldnt be that bright. especially on an HRM.

What speakers are you using?
Where do you have the OD trim at? (Gain trimmer)

Speakers are a big part of this amps sound if youre using vintage 30's or something expect a bright sound.
Also the OD trim pot being too high will result in a harsher less dumble tone.

Also i assume you just got this amp? Try letting it (burn in) is will become warmer, smoother and more "touchy"
120  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Trannies: Power/Output/Choke on: January 29, 2010, 01:10:06 AM
im using a hammond choke and OT with a weber PT for my KT-88 build
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