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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2008, 08:05:21 PM »

email me offline (jackzucker@gmail.com) and I will give you Mike Klein's email address.
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2008, 10:04:13 PM »

Who knows maybe I can find someone in Holland to make me one!
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You got a PM.
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2008, 06:58:54 AM »

Thanks fior you offer Jack! It seems I might have found someone in Holland. Or better still someone has found me! Cheesy

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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2008, 04:42:10 PM »

Steven, the Atomic is designed to work with the POD, so the poweramp is pretty neutral and shouldn't colour the tone, it also uses the POD as the pre-amp as far as I am aware, thus allowing for all the POD tones to be reproduced faithfully. I wanted to try one of these when I found my POD less than satisfactory through a valve amp, but no one had one near me. I'm glad you found it sounded good, maybe I should revisit and see if I can try one, but having just started a OT kit build I think I'm going to stick with all valve now!

Now your problem will come when you use the POD in front of the OT. The OT has a character of its own and I doubt whether you will find it satisfactory used in conjuntion with the POD, but you can try it. I doubt you'll find it satisfactory in front of any valve amp, and you'd be better plugging straight into the PA with it. This is my backup plan for if my amp goes down, it does work and a lot better than through an amp IMO.

You can also try it straight into the Poweramp In (FX return) which was how I used the POD with my HotRod. You will always lose something whichever way you do it, thats why I suggested an A/B switch to take the POD completely out of circuit.

Well, power amps, by their very natural and design, are all neutral.  Voicing comes from preamps, power amps just...make bigger.  That's not to say they don't have their own behavior, that's why we like the crank Marshalls.

But I agree that everyones mileage will vary when matching POD and amp.

eriwebnerr have the correct setup for how to connect. 

What also has to be done is setting the amp bypass mode, there are 4...COMBO FRONT, STACK FRONT, COMBO PWRAMP, and STACK PWRAMP...I think it's self-explanatory which is used for which.  The manual goes into more detail.  And want to turn the speaker sims and AIR off.

What the OP needs to decide is what effect they will be using and how.  Very few pro and long-time players use reverb with distortion, only with clean to low gain tones.  So, will you need or want reverb after the preamp?  Maybe, maybe not.  In really dead rooms, a little slapback delay can be used, which works just as well in front of the amp as in the loop. 

Long delays would probably sound best in the loop, as would chorus and phase is used with heavy OD.  But compression may be too noisy there. 
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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2008, 07:52:18 PM »

I use a little reverb with OD sounds.
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2008, 09:20:35 PM »

I just bought an old Rocktron intellifex and it sounds great in the loop.

Today I also ordered all parts to make a Klein-ulator just incase I
would like to use other effects with my Overtone.

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2008, 10:10:17 PM »

my 2 cents - I have found anything that can handle rack levels (like the Glass Nexus, G-Major, G-sharp, and I'm sure the POD XT Pro [if connected coreectly]) works really well in the loop of the Overtone - no tone or signal loss ..
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2008, 07:54:17 PM »

Another thought - if you want to buffer the loop would the VHT valvulator be a readily available viable option?

http://www.vhtamp.com/product-news/valvulator1.html

I'm using one in front as a buffer and power supply for my effects. It is a stellar piece of gear! Its like night and day even though all my effects are true bypass. I also use it for recording before a Line 6 Tone Port. Its one of those things you think your over paying for, then you can't live without!
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2008, 07:04:42 AM »

How about an integrated Dumbelator inside the amp? I wish the overtone special has more space for tubes or boards however... I have a schematic for a buffered effect loop using a 12AU7. Cost of parts is around 50 dollars. May be more cost effective for those limited on budget.

Nik also told me by putting in built in spring reverb after the effect pedal you kinda get a bonus effect loop boost which is same as a buffered loop. I wonder how it works. I know the reverb loop is kinda like a buffered effect loop because the signal that returns from the reverb tank is really weak.

You could use something like a Boss LS-2 or something which has a buffered loop.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2008, 08:20:15 PM »

Greetings to all on this thread. I just wanted to say that I had some anxiety about this whole passive effects loop issue on the Overtone. Now that finally have the amp, and have had a chance to check things out, I am  not sure what the fuss is. First, (this just my narrow opinion) I am not sure why somebody who was into using a lot of effects (or likes the POD XT) would want an Overtone Special. What makes it "special" is that it sounds so very good all on its own. It is hard for me to fathom why anyone would want to modulate that in some way. I do understand the use of a little delay and/or reverb. I run a Line 6 Verbzilla and a Visual Sound H20 Chorus Delay through the loop and they sound just fine. Neither of these are very sophisticated or top-rated.

That said, if you have found some way to improve the overall performance of the Overtone Special by using some kind of ***alator or other device I would be interested to hear about your experiences.
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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2008, 04:06:52 PM »

I am not sure why somebody who was into using a lot of effects (or likes the POD XT) would want an Overtone Special. W

Makes for a nice change. My PODXT sounds pretty good and is very versitile. In tjhis case I only want to use the reverb, delay, chrous, leslei and volume pedal. I have it lying around so why bother with buying new fx.
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