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« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2009, 06:03:22 PM »
Quote from: koni on June 22, 2009, 02:12:31 PM
First of all I want to thank you for taking the time to do these comparative sound clips of these two models. I am considering to buy one of these in the future and was wondering which one to chose just like apparently many others on this forum. Both of these amps sound great in there own way but I would like to request if you have time, to try another one with all the amp settings exactly identical. In the pictures you have some settings at different levels and that Im sure colors the sound differently. Thanks again for the great clips

Unfortunately I cleared up all my gear,... this week I'm too busy for anything really and next week my vacation starts... so this will not happen anytime soon but I can say this even without clips...
OTS has more mids and BM has more bass. While OTS will work with everything at 12:00, that will not work for BM, at lest for me. Way to much bass and not enough body... at least for clean.
I tried to set the amps so they could be used in clean, clena+PAB, OD and OD+PAB without changing tonestack. The way amp should be used.
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« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2009, 01:18:51 AM »
Yah I thought you had a good reason for settings. With your description; more mids with the overtone and more bass with the bluesmaster I imagine with that in mind that the overtone might cut through a bit better in a band situation and stick out a bit better in the mix.
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« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2009, 06:49:50 AM »
Quote from: koni on June 23, 2009, 01:18:51 AM
Yah I thought you had a good reason for settings. With your description; more mids with the overtone and more bass with the bluesmaster I imagine with that in mind that the overtone might cut through a bit better in a band situation and stick out a bit better in the mix.

Well at first I thought the same but when you play these amps really loud they act differently. OTS sound farty on the bass side and a little congested in the mids compared to BM. BM has better string definition as well.
That's why I said that my clips are not exactly what I can hear in person.
Judging these amps from clips or even worse, from youtube is really not fair. It will give you an idea but far from the real thing.
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« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2009, 07:49:03 PM »
Quote from: mcinku on June 22, 2009, 06:03:22 PM
... this week I'm too busy for anything really and next week my vacation starts... so this will not happen anytime soon but I can say this even without clips...


Have a good holiday mcinku. Going anywhere nice?
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« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2009, 08:16:38 PM »
Quote from: hywelg on June 23, 2009, 07:49:03 PM
Have a good holiday mcinku. Going anywhere nice?

Thanks man,
nothing special... I'm taking my kids and wife to this thermal park.
The good thing is, that this spa is in nice historical town, so a lot of cool places to visit.
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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2009, 09:30:15 AM »
Hi Mcinku,

Good job on the clips, thnx for taking the time, nice playing too.
The ods is indeed very recognizeable dumble, but a bit dark on the recording. The BM sounds a bit odd. I hope you can make a good recording where you can demonstrate the sweet spot of this amp.
Have a good vaccation!

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« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2009, 10:08:49 AM »
My room is a very dark sounding one, that's fact no 1... I usually use deep switch at home (which will make lo end tighter) but I didn't want to use it, 'cause standard OTS does not have one. On top of that, my Fender style cab has a big baffle board and it's an open back... all this will make things even darker. I do have a rear baffle, so I could transform this cab from open to closed back but I didn't think of that at the time.
Now that I know how this amp sounds like recorded in my room, I think next time I could improve on that for better clips.


BTW... OTS is loaded with TungSols and BM-HRM has JJ tubes all over. Just in case anybody wants to know.
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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2009, 07:21:41 PM »
cool clips mcinku nice  playing' btw
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« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2009, 05:56:13 PM »
Bump

I'm using this thread a lot right now.
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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2010, 05:27:05 PM »
Mcinku,
I just wanted to thank you for this thread.
Being a first-time amp builder who wants to build a Overtone, it's very encouraging to me!
I'll be ordering a HRM BM next week and will be using this thread to help me along.

Thanks again!
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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2010, 07:09:03 PM »
You're welcome Bob.
I'm glad this is helping... after all that's why I did it.

Nik is giving us affordable kits, treads like these some encouragement, perhaps some knowledge and that's all what it takes.

It was never cheaper to get these kind of amps... so I say GO FOR IT  Wink
Tone like this should never be reserved just for few fortunate ones.

Build it and play the hell out of it.
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« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2010, 08:16:09 AM »

mcinku,

 Have you heard any clips of my BM,do you think they sound similar? You might have a particularly different style that me sonically,I mean everone is different ,you know?


 Just haven't heard many BM's so far.....I know my amp feels spongy and lets me express myself. I got to really open it up tonight and it was drastically different from playing @ my house or @ a small rehearsal.

 OD was very quick to respond and very touch sensitive.

The Clean was glassy (not ice picky though) like butt-uh Grin The clean cut through the mix.......All the SRV type sounds that I play were ginormous girthy (not flubby though) bass was balanced with the mids.

 I come from using a multiple amp rig
And really have not used an amp with Od and Clean till the last few months.Usually a Marshall type and a Fender type. I feel that the BM is my grab and go amp now, Its got all that I need and more Grin The Od takes a little getting used too though

 Also Have you used any fuzz pedals with yours? I just built a few exact fuzz faces clones with all NOS parts silicon and germanium and they seemed not to cut through the mix compared with using my clean and OD alone.

 I have used some other dirt pedals with the clean and have been satified. With dirt pedals and the BM I get a nice tonal pallet without having to keep twisting knobs at gigs to get my sound (song to song).
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 Can we hear your BM with your d-lator soon...........Please? Huh?
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« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2010, 09:50:03 PM »
Quote from: boldaslove6789 on January 23, 2010, 08:16:09 AM

mcinku,
 Have you heard any clips of my BM,do you think they sound similar? You might have a particularly different style that me sonically,I mean everone is different ,you know?
Yes, I heard your clips and I could say that both amps definitely share the same vibe.

Quote from: boldaslove6789 on January 23, 2010, 08:16:09 AM
Just haven't heard many BM's so far.....I know my amp feels spongy and lets me express myself. I got to really open it up tonight and it was drastically different from playing @ my house or @ a small rehearsal.

 OD was very quick to respond and very touch sensitive.

The Clean was glassy (not ice picky though) like butt-uh Grin The clean cut through the mix.......All the SRV type sounds that I play were ginormous girthy (not flubby though) bass was balanced with the mids.
I also learned that this amp responds very differently when used at low volumes compared to band levels. When I first built the amp I thought I would have to mod it, cause it had way to much bass when played at home... but at gig level all that extra bass was gone... at gig volumes it just feels right.

Quote from: boldaslove6789 on January 23, 2010, 08:16:09 AM
Also Have you used any fuzz pedals with yours? I just built a few exact fuzz faces clones with all NOS parts silicon and germanium and they seemed not to cut through the mix compared with using my clean and OD alone.

 I have used some other dirt pedals with the clean and have been satified. With dirt pedals and the BM I get a nice tonal pallet without having to keep twisting knobs at gigs to get my sound (song to song).
Not a fuzz user but I tried my BB and RC along with TS9 and all pedals work just fine... even better compared to my nonHRM OTS.
But nowadays I just don't use pedals anymore (with that amp)...like you said it takes some time to get too know the amp but now I'm not going back. Feeling the amp responding to my touch is just priceless, no pedal can give you that.

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Can we hear your BM with your d-lator soon...........Please? Huh?[/b]
I will, I promise... some day.   Tongue Smiley
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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2010, 09:30:22 AM »
Quote from: mcinku on May 25, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
9. Installed the boards... warning !!! , do the main board first and then power board... I installed the power board first and man was I angry when I had to run those wires to presence pot or to power tubes  Angry
...anyway as you can see I still need to wire V1,V2,V3 sockets
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Hi mcinku,
I have a couple questions if you don't mind.
On the power board in this pic (step 9), can you tell me where those 3 black wires are going? The Layout says OT/CT/Choke but I'm not sure where that is.

1.) In your step #8 pic there is a black wire left over from the OT primaries, is that the wire for the OT on the power board?
2.) What is CT stand for and where is it located?
3.) Doesn't the choke have 2 wires? If one wire goes to the power board, where does the other choke wire go?


I hope these questions make sense...


Thanks!
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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2010, 10:29:49 AM »
Quote from: rvf263 on January 28, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
Hi mcinku,
I have a couple questions if you don't mind.
On the power board in this pic (step 9), can you tell me where those 3 black wires are going? The Layout says OT/CT/Choke but I'm not sure where that is.
Black wires are Choke and OT,... on the primary side you have CT wire which goes 200uF filter cap.

Quote from: rvf263 on January 28, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
1.) In your step #8 pic there is a black wire left over from the OT primaries, is that the wire for the OT on the power board?
Yes that one  Wink

Quote from: rvf263 on January 28, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
2.) What is CT stand for and where is it located?
Not sure I think it's Central Tap.

Quote from: rvf263 on January 28, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
3.) Doesn't the choke have 2 wires? If one wire goes to the power board, where does the other choke wire go?
Both wires go to the power board. One end to the 200uF filter cap and the other end to the 20uF filter cap.
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