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« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2011, 06:17:34 AM »
Quote from: Kevster on November 26, 2011, 03:33:02 PM
I've got the FM50 ME that I'm finishing up and going to be taking public in the next month or so... I've voiced it a little different thanks to some serious help around here.  Thanks SO MUCH!!!!! So I'm going back to the well again.... Grin

I'm using the C-lator, and I'm going to have a G Major II in an extended, two-rack space head cab (just got the cabinet joints glued in the garage yesterday).  I got the G Major II about two weeks ago, and I DO hear the impact of the "digital" in the effects. On the advice of some around here, I've been looking at the Suhr Minimix II since I'd decided to go with a rack effects unit. So before I pulled the trigger on the Suhr, I wanted to see if anyone had any opinion on either the Minimix II or the Xotic X-Blender. The $50+/- difference in price makes it worth asking about. So....

I know that a number of players use these effects interfaces, so anybody have any good or bad experiences with either? Are the extra X-Blender features worth getting it? I've not heard any negative reviews of either, but I leaned toward the Minimix II because Suhr has an amazing reputation.

If I go with the Minimix II, it'll go in the bottom rear of the head cab. The X-Blender would have to go on the floor (size and to access the controls).

I'm also looking forward to a Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro in the new year. If anybody would recommend something different on the midi foot controller front too, please do...

I'm going to be pulling the trigger on either the MinimixII or the X-Blender in a couple of weeks. I'm planning on a January 1 debut for the rig. Then I'll probably add and/or subtract some pedals over the next six months to a year, so then I'll be able to integrate the midi controller once the rig is stabilized.

Wow, talk about being efficient with my posts!!! One thread for everything.

Thanks everyone!!!!

I looked at both the Mini-mix and the x-blender when i was considering going Parallel, and I liked both of em. The X-blender has the nice abilty to go from series to parallel at your toes which i found appealing, plus the added touch of the boost, phase, and the bass and treble tone stack.

In the end, i wound up sticking with the c-lator only as the only two effects i use in the loop, the RE-20 space echo and the Holy Grail Nano don't sound overly digital, sound very good in serial mode, and don't suffer from tone suckage when bypassed.

What really stinks is that i believe the original G-Major was able to be run as serial and parallel. Although I did a little reading on a review on the G-Major II at musicplayers.com and found something you may find interesting.

"As with both the classic G-Major and the modern G-System, TC Electronic provides a few preset routing options for the chain of effects: Serial, Semi Parallel, Parallel, and Serial 2. In all cases, the filters and compressors come first. The signal is then routed as illustrated": (i'll attach the images to the post)


"While users of the older TC Electronic G-Force will once again lament the absence of completely programmable routing options (as they did with the G-System’s similar scheme), we have no issues with it. The partially fixed signal path ensures seamless patch changes with delay and reverb tail spillovers, which you don’t typically get from gear that allows for the full re-ordering of a signal chain".


"The Serial 2 Routing option is similar to the Serial option, but it places the entire modulation effect block in a return loop of the delay block in order to create modulated delays. With this approach, you can add any type of modulation to any of the delay types, which is far more flexible than simply having a Rate and Depth chorus option tacked onto the end of a single delay line."

I don't know of you have messed sround with routing the effects internally in a parallel function and if it will help or not, but if you haven't give it try! Who knows, it could save you from having to buy a parallel mixer.

Hope this helps!

Gregg

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« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2011, 01:34:38 PM »
Quote from: plasticvonaband on November 28, 2011, 06:17:34 AM
Quote from: Kevster on November 26, 2011, 03:33:02 PM
I've got the FM50 ME that I'm finishing up and going to be taking public in the next month or so... I've voiced it a little different thanks to some serious help around here.  Thanks SO MUCH!!!!! So I'm going back to the well again.... Grin

I'm using the C-lator, and I'm going to have a G Major II in an extended, two-rack space head cab (just got the cabinet joints glued in the garage yesterday).  I got the G Major II about two weeks ago, and I DO hear the impact of the "digital" in the effects. On the advice of some around here, I've been looking at the Suhr Minimix II since I'd decided to go with a rack effects unit. So before I pulled the trigger on the Suhr, I wanted to see if anyone had any opinion on either the Minimix II or the Xotic X-Blender. The $50+/- difference in price makes it worth asking about. So....

I know that a number of players use these effects interfaces, so anybody have any good or bad experiences with either? Are the extra X-Blender features worth getting it? I've not heard any negative reviews of either, but I leaned toward the Minimix II because Suhr has an amazing reputation.

If I go with the Minimix II, it'll go in the bottom rear of the head cab. The X-Blender would have to go on the floor (size and to access the controls).

I'm also looking forward to a Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro in the new year. If anybody would recommend something different on the midi foot controller front too, please do...

I'm going to be pulling the trigger on either the MinimixII or the X-Blender in a couple of weeks. I'm planning on a January 1 debut for the rig. Then I'll probably add and/or subtract some pedals over the next six months to a year, so then I'll be able to integrate the midi controller once the rig is stabilized.

Wow, talk about being efficient with my posts!!! One thread for everything.

Thanks everyone!!!!

I looked at both the Mini-mix and the x-blender when i was considering going Parallel, and I liked both of em. The X-blender has the nice abilty to go from series to parallel at your toes which i found appealing, plus the added touch of the boost, phase, and the bass and treble tone stack.

In the end, i wound up sticking with the c-lator only as the only two effects i use in the loop, the RE-20 space echo and the Holy Grail Nano don't sound overly digital, sound very good in serial mode, and don't suffer from tone suckage when bypassed.

What really stinks is that i believe the original G-Major was able to be run as serial and parallel. Although I did a little reading on a review on the G-Major II at musicplayers.com and found something you may find interesting.

"As with both the classic G-Major and the modern G-System, TC Electronic provides a few preset routing options for the chain of effects: Serial, Semi Parallel, Parallel, and Serial 2. In all cases, the filters and compressors come first. The signal is then routed as illustrated": (i'll attach the images to the post)


"While users of the older TC Electronic G-Force will once again lament the absence of completely programmable routing options (as they did with the G-System’s similar scheme), we have no issues with it. The partially fixed signal path ensures seamless patch changes with delay and reverb tail spillovers, which you don’t typically get from gear that allows for the full re-ordering of a signal chain".


"The Serial 2 Routing option is similar to the Serial option, but it places the entire modulation effect block in a return loop of the delay block in order to create modulated delays. With this approach, you can add any type of modulation to any of the delay types, which is far more flexible than simply having a Rate and Depth chorus option tacked onto the end of a single delay line."

I don't know of you have messed sround with routing the effects internally in a parallel function and if it will help or not, but if you haven't give it try! Who knows, it could save you from having to buy a parallel mixer.

Hope this helps!

Gregg


Thanks Gregg!

I've got it in "parallel" now.  The G Major II does NOT go parallel in the true sense of the word.  It will stack several effects in parallel so as to remove (or inversely, add) the cascading effect on the signal, but it does not operate in parallel in the sense of signal throughput.... It still goes through a digital box and comes out the other side.  I'd looked at the routing options when I was shopping and thought that might be a big plus, but it ended up not being a solution...

Either the X-Blender or the Minimix II should sound OK I would think... I don't know that I want the new pedal on my board!!! I'm trying to thin the herd with the rack unit!!!! LOL

Thanks for the feedback!
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« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2011, 06:10:31 PM »
Quote from: Kevster on November 28, 2011, 01:34:38 PM
Quote from: plasticvonaband on November 28, 2011, 06:17:34 AM
Quote from: Kevster on November 26, 2011, 03:33:02 PM
I've got the FM50 ME that I'm finishing up and going to be taking public in the next month or so... I've voiced it a little different thanks to some serious help around here.  Thanks SO MUCH!!!!! So I'm going back to the well again.... Grin

I'm using the C-lator, and I'm going to have a G Major II in an extended, two-rack space head cab (just got the cabinet joints glued in the garage yesterday).  I got the G Major II about two weeks ago, and I DO hear the impact of the "digital" in the effects. On the advice of some around here, I've been looking at the Suhr Minimix II since I'd decided to go with a rack effects unit. So before I pulled the trigger on the Suhr, I wanted to see if anyone had any opinion on either the Minimix II or the Xotic X-Blender. The $50+/- difference in price makes it worth asking about. So....

I know that a number of players use these effects interfaces, so anybody have any good or bad experiences with either? Are the extra X-Blender features worth getting it? I've not heard any negative reviews of either, but I leaned toward the Minimix II because Suhr has an amazing reputation.

If I go with the Minimix II, it'll go in the bottom rear of the head cab. The X-Blender would have to go on the floor (size and to access the controls).

I'm also looking forward to a Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro in the new year. If anybody would recommend something different on the midi foot controller front too, please do...

I'm going to be pulling the trigger on either the MinimixII or the X-Blender in a couple of weeks. I'm planning on a January 1 debut for the rig. Then I'll probably add and/or subtract some pedals over the next six months to a year, so then I'll be able to integrate the midi controller once the rig is stabilized.

Wow, talk about being efficient with my posts!!! One thread for everything.

Thanks everyone!!!!

I looked at both the Mini-mix and the x-blender when i was considering going Parallel, and I liked both of em. The X-blender has the nice abilty to go from series to parallel at your toes which i found appealing, plus the added touch of the boost, phase, and the bass and treble tone stack.

In the end, i wound up sticking with the c-lator only as the only two effects i use in the loop, the RE-20 space echo and the Holy Grail Nano don't sound overly digital, sound very good in serial mode, and don't suffer from tone suckage when bypassed.

What really stinks is that i believe the original G-Major was able to be run as serial and parallel. Although I did a little reading on a review on the G-Major II at musicplayers.com and found something you may find interesting.

"As with both the classic G-Major and the modern G-System, TC Electronic provides a few preset routing options for the chain of effects: Serial, Semi Parallel, Parallel, and Serial 2. In all cases, the filters and compressors come first. The signal is then routed as illustrated": (i'll attach the images to the post)


"While users of the older TC Electronic G-Force will once again lament the absence of completely programmable routing options (as they did with the G-System’s similar scheme), we have no issues with it. The partially fixed signal path ensures seamless patch changes with delay and reverb tail spillovers, which you don’t typically get from gear that allows for the full re-ordering of a signal chain".


"The Serial 2 Routing option is similar to the Serial option, but it places the entire modulation effect block in a return loop of the delay block in order to create modulated delays. With this approach, you can add any type of modulation to any of the delay types, which is far more flexible than simply having a Rate and Depth chorus option tacked onto the end of a single delay line."

I don't know of you have messed sround with routing the effects internally in a parallel function and if it will help or not, but if you haven't give it try! Who knows, it could save you from having to buy a parallel mixer.

Hope this helps!

Gregg


Thanks Gregg!

I've got it in "parallel" now.  The G Major II does NOT go parallel in the true sense of the word.  It will stack several effects in parallel so as to remove (or inversely, add) the cascading effect on the signal, but it does not operate in parallel in the sense of signal throughput.... It still goes through a digital box and comes out the other side.  I'd looked at the routing options when I was shopping and thought that might be a big plus, but it ended up not being a solution...

Either the X-Blender or the Minimix II should sound OK I would think... I don't know that I want the new pedal on my board!!! I'm trying to thin the herd with the rack unit!!!! LOL

Thanks for the feedback!

No prob! If i recall, most of the guys using the minimix just put it near the amp with short run cables and run it parallel all the time, if that helps your decision any Wink
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« Reply #63 on: December 28, 2011, 10:21:45 PM »
OK... My 50W OTS FM ME has been up and running for a while now and it is in the now finished cab. I need to do a couple of tweaks to the electronics still so I'm not really "done with it", but I've been using it at church for a couple weeks now.  This weekend I use the onboard G Major II for the effects...

So I had a question about one of the mods I'm considering.  I'm thinking about eliminating the PAB "manual" option and switch on the back and (in its place) I thought about putting in a rotary switch instead.  The switch would be wired with resistors ranging between the stock 10M (about parity for volume with Rock and Deep engaged) and 22M as you find with the Mega-PAB mod.  The reason to do it (at all) is obvious, to increase the boost from the stock level.  I really think the appropriate amount of "boost" isn't static to all playing situations or songs, so having options might be good.  I feel like whatever value (or boost) I chose would always be a compromise.  I really don't like to settle on anything with this rig....

So, if I did the mod using several different values, it would work for now to give some time to find the "right value". I do plan to add a midi foot controller next year, so that brings me to another set of dynamics effecting my options.  If I like the variety and feel of the multi-value/boost mod, I might create an external midi-controlled "boost module" that would give me outboard contol of the boost rather than using a manual switch.  Too soon to say on that though... I want to see how it works out first.

So here are my questions for the resident experts...

Has anyone tried this or something similar? 

What do y'all think?

Thanks for any feedback.
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« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2011, 03:09:39 PM »
have you thought about using a 10M pot instead? in series with a 10M resistor so you can have variable PAB gain?
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« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2011, 03:28:01 PM »
I'd thought about both, but I'm not quite sure how I could make that work with midi... Defined values I can do, but a variable value I haven't got a clue.  It may be doable and I just have to find the right info...

Is this something you've heard done?
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