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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2011, 04:20:25 AM »

Many thanks man!!! Yeah, I thought the standard cab was supposed to be 10" high.  At 7" for the bottom of the transformer, the interior of a standard cab should have about 2" clearance.  The C-lator and a rack shoul add 3 1/2", but a minimum of 14" is a safe bet.

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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2011, 01:31:10 PM »

No problem at all

Heres a pic of my 11 incher Shocked

Add 3 inches and your good to go

Mine is not a standard Dumble cab but actually a 2Rock style which I guess is just 1" taller.

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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2011, 09:16:49 PM »

Cool! Thats very nice lookin setup!



No problem at all

Heres a pic of my 11 incher Shocked

Add 3 inches and your good to go

Mine is not a standard Dumble cab but actually a 2Rock style which I guess is just 1" taller.

Todd
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« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2011, 12:11:37 AM »

very nice! i'm thinking about building and attaching a little enclosure to the top of my combo for my c-lator. i like the one built in the head, though
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« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2011, 12:21:47 AM »

Wow, great looking rig Todd!! Cool to see a little amp porn!!!

Thanks again!

Now where are the audioi clips of it?
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« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2011, 12:39:47 AM »

Thanks guys

Well just got my cast off my right hand yesterday, so Im learning how to play guitar again. Been a thumbpicker for the last six weeks.

I have spent too much money on amp kits to be able to afford a proper recording device at the moment as well. Grin

I promise eventually I will get something posted, but it may be a while. Man it's hard to compete with some of them clips by Sami and Mcinku though, I actually have been modifying my style to fit these amps. Everything I played before was more high gain and hid the mistakes that I constantly make Wink

BTW credit for the Head cab and 2x12 go to Henry, username: Tenguitars. Found him in the classified section here. Great guy to deal with. As soon as I build my HRM I plan on getting him to build me another one.

Thanks again guys

Todd
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« Reply #51 on: July 27, 2011, 05:58:44 PM »

FM50 ME and C-Lator in transit as of today...

Officially joining the club very, very soon.
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« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2011, 06:54:05 PM »

sweeeeett!!! Chair Dance
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« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2011, 03:20:24 PM »

Yeah, I'm in the club, but it'll be a few weeks before I can do anything much with it.  I just got a big job in that'll keep me busy for a bit, and then I've got several music projects that require attention over a couple week stretch.

I'm building cabs too, so it is a little bit more involved.
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« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2011, 03:07:50 PM »

I have a FM-50 ME that is now up and running on the bench and I've put about 6 hours in it. What a change, or series of changes, those 6 hours makes. I'm using the C-lator as is common/recommended. Here's the progress so far:

Fire-up: After I got it going (thanks to Todd for the assist), I had two overdrive channels. Literally, both channels were overdrives. I started out without the Dumbleator in the loop, but even with it both channels were overdriven. I had the "Volume" on the clean channel at minimum and still getting the OD above about 5 on the guitar volume. The OD channel sounded best with the OD Trimmer on about 2:00.

Two-Three Hours: The loop has been added and I've got all the knobs in the 9-11 range. I can turn the "Out" to 5:00 for more volume, but no need (I'm married... Grin). Starting to see some harmonics coming out, and the clean channel is losing the "overdrive". The overdrive is becoming "grittier" and I'm backing down the OD Trimmer.

Five-Six Hours: I have a clean channel. I turn it up to max and I get cleans until the guitar volume knob is above 7, and above that it is all about pick attack. The break-up is minimal. The OD is gaining in harmonics and I now have the Trimmer at about 9:00...

I'm using Magnetic Component trannies and the PT has an extra 15V on the mains, but I don't know if this is normal or not. I don't know for sure that there is a real normal... Anyway, my plate voltage is 458V and 468V respectively. I haven't touched that yet as it isn't too far off optimal (1.5%). My bias is at 37.x and 38.x with my bias pot at minimum, but at fire-up it was more than double that. I don't know how to get it below that without modding the amp.

My test speaker is a 4 Ohm Crate speaker in a combo SS amp my wife bought for $20 at a yard sale. Obviously, this is not an optimum speaker for a D-style amp, but I'm just testing at low volumes right now and it is nothing more than a functional test speaker.

I'm using two Winged C 6L6GC's (matched), a JJ 12AX7 Long Plate Gold Pin in the PI, and two Sovtek 12AX7s in the V1 and V2. I couldn't go NOS right off the bat...

So, anything sound abnormal here? Is the Plate Voltage a big issue? I'd like to get the bias down to about 35mV, but I wouldn't think the extra 10% should be too bad.

I will say that this amp's clean channel is probably on par with my best Fender right now and still improving fast. The OD is the "sound" I go for with a Zen and a Fender, but I'm looking for more harmonics and bloom as it continues to evolve. I feel like the burn-in is still ongoing and significant changes as each hour progressed. I know that 25+/- hours has been stated here numerous times, so it may still be a while.

Does the description sound "typical" for these amps?

Thanks guys for all the info that helped make this a reality!!!
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« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2011, 04:53:42 PM »

On this link at the bottom click on voltage chart!
On the excel file go to the FM50 and check every mentioned voltage while writing down your readings.
Since your PT is a higher secondary I would expect some minimal difference in voltages. Let us know if anything is way off

http://www.ceriatone.com/tlbrBorderSub/link.htm

Todd
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« Reply #56 on: October 03, 2011, 06:04:08 PM »

On this link at the bottom click on voltage chart!
On the excel file go to the FM50 and check every mentioned voltage while writing down your readings.
Since your PT is a higher secondary I would expect some minimal difference in voltages. Let us know if anything is way off

http://www.ceriatone.com/tlbrBorderSub/link.htm

Todd
I have to go out of state to testify in court re: a real estate foreclosure... I leave tomorrow morning and will be gone a couple days.  I'll check these when I get back.  I'd forgotten about the Voltage Chart... Thanks Todd!!!!
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« Reply #57 on: October 03, 2011, 07:18:32 PM »

Do most of you use a Zoom or a Tascam device for recording your clips and putting them on here?
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« Reply #58 on: October 03, 2011, 09:05:11 PM »

Do most of you use a Zoom or a Tascam device for recording your clips and putting them on here?
When I do post them in the future, I'll use none of the above... I've used a cheap DAW software and the standard microphone jack on my PC with a SM58 dynamic mic and gotten good results.  The software is old and cheap, but it gets the job done. I used the software and a DAW hard disc recorder to do a few demo's for a local guy a couple of years ago. I used a combination of a condenser mic and a dynamic mic on the guitar, a dynamic on the vocal scratch, and a condenser on the final vocal.  Here's a link to Turn The Page:

http://www.myspace.com/waynetibbles/music/songs/turn-the-page-bobsegar-50881732

Just him and an acoustic.  Vocal scratch during the first take then a vocal final to his acoustic from the first take.  The guy nails it everytime like a machine.  Whether he does it like the original or not, he is consistent with himself....   
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« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2011, 03:33:02 PM »

I've got the FM50 ME that I'm finishing up and going to be taking public in the next month or so... I've voiced it a little different thanks to some serious help around here.  Thanks SO MUCH!!!!! So I'm going back to the well again.... Grin

I'm using the C-lator, and I'm going to have a G Major II in an extended, two-rack space head cab (just got the cabinet joints glued in the garage yesterday).  I got the G Major II about two weeks ago, and I DO hear the impact of the "digital" in the effects. On the advice of some around here, I've been looking at the Suhr Minimix II since I'd decided to go with a rack effects unit. So before I pulled the trigger on the Suhr, I wanted to see if anyone had any opinion on either the Minimix II or the Xotic X-Blender. The $50+/- difference in price makes it worth asking about. So....

I know that a number of players use these effects interfaces, so anybody have any good or bad experiences with either? Are the extra X-Blender features worth getting it? I've not heard any negative reviews of either, but I leaned toward the Minimix II because Suhr has an amazing reputation.

If I go with the Minimix II, it'll go in the bottom rear of the head cab. The X-Blender would have to go on the floor (size and to access the controls).

I'm also looking forward to a Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro in the new year. If anybody would recommend something different on the midi foot controller front too, please do...

I'm going to be pulling the trigger on either the MinimixII or the X-Blender in a couple of weeks. I'm planning on a January 1 debut for the rig. Then I'll probably add and/or subtract some pedals over the next six months to a year, so then I'll be able to integrate the midi controller once the rig is stabilized.

Wow, talk about being efficient with my posts!!! One thread for everything.

Thanks everyone!!!!
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