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Title: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: René F on May 01, 2008, 12:48:47 PM Hi
Just ordered a overtone kit from Nik, a couple of days ago... I'm going to have a cabinet build for two 12" speakers ... I've been researching the internet, for info about speakers, and I have the following in mind for my cabinet... First up af Eminence Tonespotter (which is a copy of the G12-65) combined with a eminence governor (to reply to the soft mids of the tonespotter)... Does any of you have any experience with these two speakers and the Ceriatone overtone special amp??? (read somewhere that Two rocks uses the Eminence Tonespotter speakers, for their amplifiers) René F New user on this forum, and soon to be the happy owner of a ceriatone overtone special :) Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: René F on May 01, 2008, 09:33:43 PM Okay after a lot of research I've dropped the governor speakers...
Now Im looking for a second speaker to pair up with the Eminence tonespotter... Please come with some input/ideas to the second speaker, or maybe another combination involving some other types of speakers.. Thx in advance René F Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: Gridlock on May 05, 2008, 03:29:43 PM anyone tried scumbag? i haven't but my cab maker recommends them
Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: digitalrust on May 06, 2008, 01:54:04 AM Heres a 2x12 design that sounds freaking great!
http://www.lightshow.cc/explorer/Stuff/Speaker_Cabinet/speaker_cabinet.html build with Okoume BS1008 13 ply birch plywood or better. Speakers Tone Tubby Alnico 12s http://www.tonetubby.com/ TTs are warm and buttery with clear amazing overtones. Carlos Santana is using these on stage so just about any recent live Santana recording will let you know exactly what they sound like. A close, less expensive, choice would be Eminence Patriot Cannabis Rex 12" Guitar Speaker with Hemp Cone Some sound clips of the cannabis rex can be heard at http://www.eminence.com/soundclips.asp Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: AdrianJ on May 07, 2008, 11:47:32 AM Two Rock use OEM eminence speakers in their cabs, if you can find out which aftermarket unit is the equivalent, I'd be very interested too.
I'd heard that the Red White & Blues is a good match with Dumble type amps and is one I'm considering for when I order an Overtone. Hopefully only 2-3 months more waiting now - I want to be able to afford to order the Overtone in kit form from Nik and then a custom head cab and 2x12" cab from the guy who's going to build the Overtone once it arrives all at the same time. I had considered various options - from ordering the complete Overtone in a Head Cab from Nik, to ordering it in kit form and building it myself as well as the cabs. At present I've settled on ordering the kit from Nik and having it built by a local amp builder who's a Ceriatone Service Agent and getting him to build the cabs at the same time. That way I minimise both my wait time and my exposure to Import Duty and Tax. The one option I'm still waiting on getting a price on is ordering the amp complete from Nik without a head cab and then getting a local joiner to build the cabs for me, but me finish them myself... Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: jzucker on May 07, 2008, 08:38:43 PM Two Rock use OEM eminence speakers in their cabs, if you can find out which aftermarket unit is the equivalent, I'd be very interested too. Tworock uses Emi RW&B speakers. I previously had a love affair with these speakers but lately we've had a falling out. ;D I now consider them too dark. I have ordered a G1265 to try again. I am going to do some comparison clips between the two speakers and post the results. I'm hoping the ones I had before were counterfeit. :) In the meantime, the wizards I have in another cabinet sound very good though they have the opposite problem. They are a little too bright. Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: Steven_nl on May 08, 2008, 06:52:28 AM I have ordered a G1265 to try again. I am going to do some comparison clips between the two speakers and post the results. I'm hoping the ones I had before were counterfeit. :) Some people seem to have unlimited financial resources ;D I have heard you need to give those speakers some time (10 hours playing) I'm gettingm my cab at the end of next week ( I hope). Unfortunatly the amp will take a little longer. Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: AdrianJ on May 08, 2008, 11:08:27 AM Tworock uses Emi RW&B speakers. I previously had a love affair with these speakers but lately we've had a falling out. ;D I now consider them too dark. Which Two Rock speaker is the RW&B, they have 2 different ones offered, one being slightly brighter than the other. I think I like the idea of mixing 2 different speakers to get the tone I want - Would a RW&B and a Wizard be a good mix? Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: René F on May 08, 2008, 01:40:11 PM I've ended up with a Eminence 12" Tonespotter 8 Ohm and a Eminence 12" Cannabis Rex 8 ohm... Going to set them up in seriel...
Going to receive my amp and speakers about a week or two from now, so I'll post my experience with the amp, and speakers René Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: hywelg on May 08, 2008, 01:41:59 PM The RW&B is this one
http://www.bluearan.co.uk/menu/index.php?id=EMIPATRWB&product=Eminence_Patriot_Series_-_Red_White_and_Blues_120W_12!dquote!_8_ohm&browsemode=manufacturer currently out of stock tho' Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: jzucker on May 08, 2008, 03:11:13 PM Tworock uses Emi RW&B speakers. I previously had a love affair with these speakers but lately we've had a falling out. ;D I now consider them too dark. Which Two Rock speaker is the RW&B, they have 2 different ones offered, one being slightly brighter than the other. I think I like the idea of mixing 2 different speakers to get the tone I want - Would a RW&B and a Wizard be a good mix? That's news to me. Where is that info listed? Just checked the EMI site. There are not 2 versions offered. Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: Luithien on May 08, 2008, 03:13:26 PM I had posted about a OTS speaker choice a while back, but did not see much response. These Scholz drivers (once broken in) seem to have had some very good responses...
http://ceriatoneforum.com/index.php?topic=381.0 JT Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: AdrianJ on May 09, 2008, 07:32:40 AM Tworock uses Emi RW&B speakers. I previously had a love affair with these speakers but lately we've had a falling out. ;D I now consider them too dark. Which Two Rock speaker is the RW&B, they have 2 different ones offered, one being slightly brighter than the other. I think I like the idea of mixing 2 different speakers to get the tone I want - Would a RW&B and a Wizard be a good mix? That's news to me. Where is that info listed? Just checked the EMI site. There are not 2 versions offered. No, what I mean is that Two Rock offer a choice from 2 different speakers in their cabs: http://two-rock.com/products/spkrs.html Logically only 1 of those 2 could be the equivalent of the Red White & Blues, just trying to figure out which, and what the equivalent of the other speakers would be... Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: René F on May 09, 2008, 08:51:20 AM Tworock uses Emi RW&B speakers. I previously had a love affair with these speakers but lately we've had a falling out. ;D I now consider them too dark. Which Two Rock speaker is the RW&B, they have 2 different ones offered, one being slightly brighter than the other. I think I like the idea of mixing 2 different speakers to get the tone I want - Would a RW&B and a Wizard be a good mix? That's news to me. Where is that info listed? Just checked the EMI site. There are not 2 versions offered. No, what I mean is that Two Rock offer a choice from 2 different speakers in their cabs: http://two-rock.com/products/spkrs.html Logically only 1 of those 2 could be the equivalent of the Red White & Blues, just trying to figure out which, and what the equivalent of the other speakers would be... I've read somewhere that two-rocks uses the Eminence tonespotter speaker (which is a clone of af G12-65)... But I can't say for sure... René Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: AdrianJ on May 09, 2008, 11:10:30 AM Tworock uses Emi RW&B speakers. I previously had a love affair with these speakers but lately we've had a falling out. ;D I now consider them too dark. Which Two Rock speaker is the RW&B, they have 2 different ones offered, one being slightly brighter than the other. I think I like the idea of mixing 2 different speakers to get the tone I want - Would a RW&B and a Wizard be a good mix? That's news to me. Where is that info listed? Just checked the EMI site. There are not 2 versions offered. No, what I mean is that Two Rock offer a choice from 2 different speakers in their cabs: http://two-rock.com/products/spkrs.html Logically only 1 of those 2 could be the equivalent of the Red White & Blues, just trying to figure out which, and what the equivalent of the other speakers would be... I've read somewhere that two-rocks uses the Eminence tonespotter speaker (which is a clone of af G12-65)... But I can't say for sure... René I've asked both Eminence and Two Rock and all I get from them is that the Two Rock OEM speakers are a propriatory piece of equipment and they won't publish the specs... Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: fullerplast on May 09, 2008, 12:45:56 PM For a single 12 application, I've had the G12-65 side by side with an EVM12L and the EV sounded better hands down to me. The 65 sounded fine....before comparing it. :) Tonespotters work well in general with D type amps, but the Overtone seems to really love the EVM even more so than other D amps I've used.
Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: gbergl on May 09, 2008, 02:46:08 PM I agree - the EVM-12L is my preferred speaker also. I compared it with Celestion greenback, vintage 30, and classic lead 80, Eminence Red Fang, Mesa Boogie's black shadow.
The cleans and OD from the EVM are stellar. Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: AdrianJ on May 14, 2008, 05:50:56 PM Just to clear something up, is the G1265 that everyone keeps mentioning, the Celestion Heritage G12-65?
Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: Mitch on May 14, 2008, 09:21:49 PM Just to clear something up, is the G1265 that everyone keeps mentioning, the Celestion Heritage G12-65? Yep- that's the one- though I recently lucked out and got 4 x G12-65's very cheaply second hand for £22.50 each (date codes say 1979 :o ) via eBay- I've just wired 'em up tonight into my old 1969 Marshall 4x12 & lit the fuse on the Overtone and stood well back! Truth is I'm still replacing the ornaments that flew off the wall - Glorious! :chairdance: Moral: Well worth scouting around second hand for originals - the new one's are around £68+P&P each... Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: AdrianJ on May 16, 2008, 02:10:53 PM Has anyone tried the Celestion Neodynium G12 Century Vintage speakers?
Any thoughts on how they'd sound in a 2x12" with the Overtone? Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: stratohiker on May 27, 2008, 01:07:09 AM I have a JBL E120 that I've used in many combo amps I've had for that past 13 years or so. I think I'm going to put that in a 1 12 cab and see how it goes. I wonder if anybody else has tried this speaker out with the OTS. I think I'm gonna want a ported 1 12 cab. I'm also curious what folks here are using for their cabinet of choice in a 1 12 format.
Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: herby660 on June 05, 2008, 01:53:49 PM Thanks to Gbergl and fullerplast I tried an EVM-12L. ;D
It is great as a 1 x 12. Space was an issue for me so this served my purpose and it is full sounding. The g12-65 is nice but not as versatile.. The EVM .....What a speaker too! Built like a tank....... I'm so glad I came across this speaker. Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: gbergl on June 06, 2008, 04:23:38 PM I'm glad you like it. The EVM-12L serves me well.
Title: Re: Speakerchoice for my OTS Post by: hywelg on June 06, 2008, 05:29:00 PM Thanks to Gbergl and fullerplast I tried an EVM-12L. ;D I'm struggling to find one in the UK care to enlighten me? Thanks |