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« on: April 21, 2011, 08:13:49 PM »
So I'm looking at using a 100w BM head w/ a 1x12 forte 3d cab. But my first choice speaker was a g12-65, and don't think that'll handle the head when run at 100w. So I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for alternatives that are similar to g12-65...

Or, has anyone had experiences with these other speakers which i think are possible alternatives for me...

1) Weber CV123
2) Scumback M75-LHDC

Keep in mind. i don't play high gain stuff, I generally play clean w/ pedals or medium overdrive, but i don't like the ice peak clean of fenders. goin for a john mayerish type clean tone/verge of break-up blues tone.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2011, 08:27:03 PM »
Not really The answer you asked for, but if dont need 100w why not pull out 2 output tubes and put The impedance selector to 4 ohm and you Can use a single 12g65.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2011, 08:32:21 PM »
Quote from: bluesfendermanblues on April 21, 2011, 08:27:03 PM
Not really The answer you asked for, but if dont need 100w why not pull out 2 output tubes and put The impedance selector to 4 ohm and you Can use a single 12g65.

Thanks for the reply! I dont know anything about electronics and have never changed tubes or anything like that, so i'd rather not mess with it. But I'll take it into consideration if i can't find speaker alternatives. I also heard that the tone is much fuller and has more body when run at 100w.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2011, 09:00:10 PM »
EVM12L is my favorite and I have tryed loads of speakers and they are indestructible ..well almost .
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2011, 09:02:45 PM »
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I was just about to post the same suggestion
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Or if you havent already bought the 1x12 you could go with 2x12 instead.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2011, 09:38:27 PM »
Thanks for the replies guys. I haven't gotten it yet, but I'm pretty set on a 1x12 for portability/back reasons, but i do need the volume for my basher drummer and outdoor gigs. That EVM12L is lookin like a champ, it's received good reviews and sounds like it has the qualities i'm lookin for. So that's definitely top of my list right now.

From what I understand though, the EV and g12-65 are different breeds. I've heard the BM w/ the g12 and it sounded sweet, really sweet. So until I need to make the final decision, I'm still open to suggestions for a g12-65 alternative.
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 10:26:01 PM »
You could always try the WGS ET65 clone like I did (for $69).  I don't have a way to compare against a Celestion 12-65 but it sounds pretty sweet in my 1x12 with my new BM50, especially as I break things in.  If you blow it out, it is less money at least.

http://wgs4.com/content/et65
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 01:02:56 AM »
If you are set on using a 100 w amp, I would build 2 speaker cabs a 2x12 with G12-65 type speakers to use full 100 w power, and a 1x12 with an EVM-12 for full power. The weber cerwin vega clone would not be a good match for the OTS IMHO. Also, you can do as bluesfender suggested and pull two tubes and switch the impedance selector to 4 ohms, or have a half power switch installed, which in 100 w models switches two tubes off instead of going into triode mode AFAIK

FWIW i use weber 12-65's with pre-rola treatment and they sound great. I've heard the scumbacks sound great too
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2011, 02:51:04 AM »
Go for a EVM12L Classic and build a TL806 cab, perfect for these type of amps Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2011, 12:41:59 PM »
Did you try any Alnico speakers?
Many people prefer them for the BM, I definitely do

The only 100w Alnico I know of is the Fane AXA12

Otherwise 2 x Celestion Gold is the most popular for Alnico AFAIK

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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2011, 01:58:42 PM »
Totally agree with Nairbr and Tone Control.
Best speakers for 100 BM are:

1.   EVM-12L
2.   Fane Studio 12L
3.   Fane AXA12 alnico
4.   Celestion G12 K100
5.   Jensen Jet Tornado

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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2011, 02:09:16 PM »
I use Eminence Swamp Thang. I actually use two of them in a 2x12 cab but they are rated at 150W so one can easily sustain a 100W head.

I like them a tad more than a G12-65. To me they have some more sparkle. I've read somewhere that they could compare to some Fane but I wouldn't now for myself.
Punchy, very balanced, clear warm clean, great OD.

I've done some clips to compare: http://ceriatoneforum.com/index.php?topic=29.msg14149#msg14149

Alternatively you could consider an Eminence Red White & Blues. They're supposed to be close to a G12-65 and are the speakers installed by Fuchs in their ODS. I find mine a bit dull though, but not a bad speaker at all. At 120W, one should manage your amp.

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2011, 02:53:59 PM »
I had a Fuchs ODS30 with a 2x12 cab, with Red White and Blues
The amps sounded nice, a bit flatter and blander once I had the BM50 to compare it with.

I tried the Fuchs 2x12 with every amp I had. It was the darkest cab, and only very bright amps worked with it, it was very poor with the BM50.
The only amps I liked it with was the Express when distorting heavily. I have several other cabs that the Express sounds much better with.

The Fuchs ODS was tuned to match those speakers I think, and every other amp sounded quite poor with them, a very flat rounded-off tone.

The BM needs a lot of help in being bright enough (if you run it cleaner).
On every amp I own, the presence is set to 2-4, on the BM it's set to 9, even with a Celestion Gold
Until I had the Celestion Gold and the Fane, I had preferred the Fuchs ODS, and thought the BM50 didn't live up to its reputation.
Now the Fuchs ODS belongs to someone else, and the BM50 is my joint favourite amp with my DC30

On that subject, Matchless and Badcat cabs sound OK with the BM as far as I recall

Anyway, if the G12-65 is close to a RW&B, I'd leave it alone, I think it's for Marshall high gain style amps anyway, this is a Blackface fender style amp, and they fitted Alnicos back then.

I do fancy trying an EVM-12L at some point though, Pickmaster is an expert, so it must be good.

Actually, check this review: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=190607
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2011, 06:59:19 PM »
i don't think the Red, White and Blues sounds close to a G12-65 at all, in my opinion. although the design is similar with the ribs on the cone and the mesh dome, it is a different magnet structure all together, and has a higher wattage raiting as well, which effects the overall tone of the speaker. that being said, it couldn't hurt to try it, or its "cousin" as emience says, the governor.

In reality, it all comes down to what your ears like, and what tone you want to hear. Try out a bunch and see what ya like! ya never know, having a vast collection of speakers could come in handy one day, as they all sound different and may help you find a tone that is "in your head" down the road
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2011, 08:52:23 PM »
Quote from: plasticvonaband on April 22, 2011, 06:59:19 PM
i don't think the Red, White and Blues sounds close to a G12-65 at all, in my opinion. although the design is similar with the ribs on the cone and the mesh dome, it is a different magnet structure all together, and has a higher wattage raiting as well, which effects the overall tone of the speaker. that being said, it couldn't hurt to try it, or its "cousin" as emience says, the governor.

In reality, it all comes down to what your ears like, and what tone you want to hear. Try out a bunch and see what ya like! ya never know, having a vast collection of speakers could come in handy one day, as they all sound different and may help you find a tone that is "in your head" down the road


Yes, keep a good range in stock. Tastes do differ, I definitely use my amps in my own way
But if you're buying a speaker  for a specific amp, my advice is to start with the speakers everyone else recommends.
As I say, I tried several with the BM, and was not impressed with the amp until I bought Celestion Golds, I might have even sold the amp and kept the Fuchs
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