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« on: January 10, 2009, 07:39:59 PM »

Has anybody using a 1 12 setup with the G12-65 speaker in use, had any issues with blowing the speaker, the speaker not being able to deal with the power of the amp, etc?
I've got a big fat JBL E120-8 in now and I want to move to a smoother, darker sounding speaker.
The JBL's kinda edgy sounding.
And, sometimes I play gigs where the amp's gotta be driven harder, to keep up with loud drummers, etc.
Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2009, 12:21:25 AM »

The G12-65 is rated for 65W and the OTS is around 40W so it should be fine. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2009, 11:37:43 PM »

Thanks John.
After poking around a bit on the web, I'm wondering if the 65 would even be suitable for me.
I'm seeing where many folks like the 65 in pairs or in a 4 12 but not necessarily used on their own.
Now lookin' at 100 watt Celestions instead. I was using a JBL E120 before, but that's really not working
for me in the oversized 1 12 cab I have. To edgy, etc............
Looking for a warmer tone.......with some bottom end punch as well.......
I would add that this is my first foray into the world of HAD clones, etc..........
It's a whole different deal in working this amp thru it's paces.
The volume diffs on the channels, the tone system, all very different from what I'm used too.
But, I'm working thru all these things and gigging with the amp to feel it out.
It's definitely a different beast than what most folks out gigging are using.
That's one of the things that attracted me to it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 08:19:10 AM »

I'm using a single G12-65 and I'm more than happy with it.


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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2009, 11:22:17 AM »

Are you getting a pretty "full" sound out of it? I.E. enuff bass, etc.......
How does it cut and sound out live in this configuration?
Your combo cab is roughly the size of my 1 12 cab.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2009, 11:35:53 AM »

Are you getting a pretty "full" sound out of it? I.E. enuff bass, etc.......
How does it cut and sound out live in this configuration?
Your combo cab is roughly the size of my 1 12 cab.

It works just fine.
It really helps to position the amp against the wall... and don't lift it up from the ground (like a chair or a stand), it helps with the bass response.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2009, 11:41:55 AM »

Ok, thanks...........+1 on the floorish position. I always strive to do that whenever possible.
Like to have the punchiest sound possible. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you know, sometimes
on small stages, you gotta put 'em a chair and angle up, to be able to hear, etc........
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2009, 02:26:49 PM »

Ok, thanks...........+1 on the floorish position. I always strive to do that whenever possible.
Like to have the punchiest sound possible. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you know, sometimes
on small stages, you gotta put 'em a chair and angle up, to be able to hear, etc........

Yes I know what you mean...in this case I just tilt the amp against the wall or something. You could also install Fender tilt back legs.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2009, 05:11:37 PM »

Ok, thanks...........+1 on the floorish position. I always strive to do that whenever possible.
Like to have the punchiest sound possible. Unfortunately, as I'm sure you know, sometimes
on small stages, you gotta put 'em a chair and angle up, to be able to hear, etc........

A closed back cabinet it a key ingredient to "punchiness". I just put together a 12" Eminence Wizard and an Avatar G112 cube type, closed back, cabinet. It is every bit as loud as my 2 x12 open back cabinet with a G12H20 and Vintage 30. I describe the sound of the bass in the Wizard cabinet as a woody "thunk". To my ear, the Wizard is a very balanced speaker with great bass response and smooth mids/highs. Articulate with out being spiky in higher frequencies. My experience with the G12-65 is that it is a darker, less articulate speaker. A lot people seem to be happy with the G12-65 tone, though.

As far as setting the speaker up off the floor, I have used this method quite often at open jams where your amp is  not mic'd and you need to hear your self playing. Even then, it gives you an inaccurate representation of what the audience is hearing.  It just isn't the way to do things and should be avoided when possible, IMO. I personally would not waste my time putting together a rig to compensate for that situation and concentrate on getting the best possible tone for the majority of playing situations that you expect to encounter.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2009, 06:23:11 PM »

John,
I understand your premise but, for me, I seldom get a chance to mike anything at gigs.
So, I like the open back cabs more for my purposes. I used to use a Boogie 1 12 Thiele cab pretty regular and also a 1936 Marshall. While I liked the sound, and I know it projected to the audience well, and was punchy for sure, I couldn't hear them well overall for the bars, small stages, etc that I had/have to deal with.
So back to the semi open cabs for me. That's why I'm concerned about a speaker in question having some thump in an open back application.

Ed
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2009, 04:59:37 PM »

John,
I understand your premise but, for me, I seldom get a chance to mike anything at gigs.
So, I like the open back cabs more for my purposes. I used to use a Boogie 1 12 Thiele cab pretty regular and also a 1936 Marshall. While I liked the sound, and I know it projected to the audience well, and was punchy for sure, I couldn't hear them well overall for the bars, small stages, etc that I had/have to deal with.
So back to the semi open cabs for me. That's why I'm concerned about a speaker in question having some thump in an open back application.

Ed
Well Ed, it comes down to what works best for your situation. Anybody's advice is going to be biased to their own experiences; and with guitars and amps those experiences vary widely. For most of my playing career, my gear was very much dictated by my financial situation, and  then what was practical for my gigging situation. Only over the past few years have I had the opportunity to explore different tonal options on a recreational basis. Good Luck in your quest and let us know how it turns out.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2009, 02:44:24 AM »

For what it 's worth, I own many of the speakers mentioned in these forums including EVM 12L, JBL D120, G12H-30/Vintage 30 combination, G12M, G12K-85, Weber Blues in various wattages and others. 

When I had to pick one speaker to put in my OTS combo cab that the guys at GabKits built for me, I picked the ET 12-65 from Warehouse guitar Speakers which is a Celestion G12-65 clone. 

It provides a very full sound with a nice spectrum of lows, mids and highs.  Sounds great with my Tele, Strat and Les Paul and it's a great bargain.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2009, 10:08:25 PM »

Has anybody using a 1 12 setup with the G12-65 speaker in use, had any issues with blowing the speaker, the speaker not being able to deal with the power of the amp, etc?
I've got a big fat JBL E120-8 in now and I want to move to a smoother, darker sounding speaker.
The JBL's kinda edgy sounding.
And, sometimes I play gigs where the amp's gotta be driven harder, to keep up with loud drummers, etc.
Thanks.

I tried a 12-65 and liked it a lot. It is more sparkly than people give it credit for.. I changed to a Gold and preferred the OD more, much tighter bass.  The G12-65 sounded a tad flabby for me.  However I have modded alot so that has helped too.

The Gold has such nice cleans.
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