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René F
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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2008, 09:58:38 PM »
Quote from: Nathan on July 23, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: casken on July 23, 2008, 08:49:32 PM
Nathan,
   We all definately have target sounds we are looking for but I love the OD channel.  One of (among many) the tones I really like is quite similar to "Reeling in the Years" Steely Dan type.  I hit with my LP and it is very nice to my ears anyhow.
   I haven't found the tones to be harsh at all.  I am using a Kleinulator and Reverb the former of which I am told fattens the sound a bit.  The OD sounds are better with buckers, however, to me at least.  I use some light drive and no boost with my Strat, just enough to know it is there...no more.
    I have found some VERY nice warm ever so slightly driven tones with my Strat, again this is all very subjective, but I can't help but think that tone is in there somewhere.  I really like what my ears are hearing.  I am using a combo cab that has a v30 and G12h30 Celestions combo.  I won't say it nails that fat Mayer tone but it is certainly very nice and in the ballpark.
   Have you tried rolling back the mids to near nothing.  Using moderate Treble (5ish) and a little more Bass?  My Strat sounds incredible...no kidding.  I get some very nich tones doing the Hendrix, SRV Mayer type thing.

It's kinda strange that I'm the only one who have some prob with the OD brightness.

My Kleinulator doesn't work (the little chip in it has blow when I first put on the divice, I must receive another chip in few days). The Kleinulator should smooth a bit the amp but will affect both clean and OD channel.


Hywelg, is the 5751 a 12AT7 ?

Thanks for your advices Wink.



Strange that you have a problem with the OD, I run my OTS stock (but build after the latest layout), and i mainly play my amp with my telecaster...

My OD isn't bright at all... rich and fat with the deep switch on, bright off and rock on... but when it's with deep off, bright on and rock on, its off course a more bright/trebly, but not harsh... Stills sounds excellent...

Maybe its just a matter of taste... or maybe there is a big difference between the OTS amp Huh? Smiley


By the way, I get pretty close to the John Mayer tone, on the clean channel using a TS808 and a T-rex dr.swamp... Volume 6,5 Treble 4,5 Mid 4,5 Bass 3 Bright off Deep on/off(either way sounds john mayerish Smiley ) Rock on...
Master above 1 and presence at 4,5

/René

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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2008, 10:48:17 PM »
Are you using a dumbleator or a kleinulator ?

Maybe it will resolve my problem !
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2008, 07:41:11 AM »
Quote from: Nathan on July 23, 2008, 10:48:17 PM
Are you using a dumbleator or a kleinulator ?

Maybe it will resolve my problem !

No I have nothing in the fx loop, only pedals in front... so no kleinulator

/René
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2008, 08:41:54 AM »
Quote from: Nathan on July 23, 2008, 09:09:36 PM
Hywelg, is the 5751 a 12AT7 ?

No the 5751 has a slightly lower gain than an AX7 where the AT7 is quite a lot lower.
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« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2008, 08:57:30 AM »
Hi there,  
Preamp tubes choice in the OTS makes a BIG difference to the character of this stunning amp.
Although you can coax great tones easily from the OTS, it`s important to experiment with tonestack combinations to get to where you want to be.
A Tele sounds awesome through the OTS, but only if the tonestack is adjusted properly to suit, and when you get it right,.. the tone`s right on the nail.
A tweakers amp for sure.!
a 335 sounds just as good, but with the obvious adjustments to suit the pickups & guitar etc.

Preamp tube info.
12AX7 has a 100/100 gain factor & will drive the amp harder than other preamp tube variations.
The 12AX7 LPS (long plate spiral) is a 12AX7 worth a try in (V1).
Quite smooth, warm and vintage sounding.

5751 is not a 12AX7 type but a compatible substitute.
70/100 gain factor. Slightly less gain ie: 70%.
5751 has a smoother linear quality to its tone character & clips smoothly.
Stevie Ray Vaughan favoured this tube in the(V2) of his blackface amps for a little more clean headroom and a smoother tone.

12AY7 60/100 gain factor (60%) of what the 12AX7 delivers.  Also very compatible substitute for the12AX7 & produces a nice warm round tone.

12AT7. 45/100 gain factor. usually good for reverb and PI positions.
You could try one in the PI (phase invertor) position, but the 5751 or 12AY7 is probably a better choice for experimenting in this positiojn for the OTS.

12AU7. 20/100 with a low gain factor of only 20%
This is a low gain tube with a warm vintage tone, but not much push.

A 12AU7 in (V1) of a Fender Tweed blues deville running the main vol pot on a setting of 8 or 9 & the amp was sounding very open, warm with just a hint of very natural overdrive and the overall volume was about perfect for a gig.
With a 12AX7 in (V1)with the Devilles,. you couldn`t get the vol pot above 3 without splitting ear drums..!!

Pre amp tubes are a relatively effective & cheap way to experient and get some good tone & gain variations.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2008, 11:16:47 AM »
Thanks for your help I will check this.
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2008, 06:43:43 PM »
Very useful info bluestone, thanks very much.
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2008, 06:54:17 PM »
great info.  thank you.
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2008, 12:48:28 AM »
To Chris  --  there are a number of video clips on Youtube featuring the OTS. Search for marinblues, or go to the Soundclips page on the Ceriatone website.
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2008, 02:07:34 AM »
django8,

Thanks man i checked a few videos out on there and the amp sounds fairly nice. For the tones im looking for ive been battling with the idea of getting:

1. The overtone
2. A vintage Fender Twin or Super Reverb with a Keeley modded TS808.


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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2008, 07:28:22 AM »
Quote from: conacher on July 25, 2008, 02:07:34 AM
django8,

Thanks man i checked a few videos out on there and the amp sounds fairly nice. For the tones im looking for ive been battling with the idea of getting:

1. The overtone
2. A vintage Fender Twin or Super Reverb with a Keeley modded TS808.




I suppose getting all of the above isn't an option??  Grin
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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2008, 07:29:19 AM »
Hahaha oh man i wish. That would be nice
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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2008, 08:20:42 AM »
Quote from: Nathan on July 23, 2008, 10:48:17 PM
Are you using a dumbleator or a kleinulator ?

Maybe it will resolve my problem !

Kleinulator will warm things up.

There are also other possibilities, like treble bleed network on OD ch for example.
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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2008, 12:43:40 PM »
A Super reverb sounds nothing like a Twin reverb and of these which models Huh?? a red knob twin vs a tan super..........With or without a tube screamer.
May as well suggest a ots with a ts-808.
With an open back cab mounted with 2x12jbls  or 4X10 jensens. The difference in the amps would be canceled out by the speakers.

 These styles of amps are designed to sound good in a live/gig situations. Hearing them in context of a midi/backing track is meaningless. Unless you want to use your amp for that.

There are many times a one amp that you did not like, will sound better in certain situations. Believe me I have done enough gigs and recording to know this.

The OTS is a versatile amp. Be prepared for it to show all the glitches nuance in your playing in a similar way to an AC-30. If you want the amp to to help you through go down the mesa road.
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« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2008, 03:35:00 PM »
Quote from: nickm57 on July 25, 2008, 12:43:40 PM
A Super reverb sounds nothing like a Twin reverb and of these which models Huh?? a red knob twin vs a tan super..........With or without a tube screamer.
May as well suggest a ots with a ts-808.
With an open back cab mounted with 2x12jbls  or 4X10 jensens. The difference in the amps would be canceled out by the speakers.

 These styles of amps are designed to sound good in a live/gig situations. Hearing them in context of a midi/backing track is meaningless. Unless you want to use your amp for that.

There are many times a one amp that you did not like, will sound better in certain situations. Believe me I have done enough gigs and recording to know this.

The OTS is a versatile amp. Be prepared for it to show all the glitches nuance in your playing in a similar way to an AC-30. If you want the amp to to help you through go down the mesa road.





Yes sir...like no other.  It transfers the guitar voice and activity of the strings and fingers like no other amp I have played.
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