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« Reply #675 on: September 15, 2010, 03:27:47 PM »
Quote from: Emiel on September 15, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
I am wondering... do EL34's output tubes lessen the gain of an OTS? All the OTS clips w/6L6's I've heard seem to be capable a lot more gain.

Here's a small clip of mine (w/EL34's) where I switch the deep switch on and off. Pre amp volume at 7, midboost on, overdrive level at 8, master at 4, no PAB. I played on a 1993 Gibson Les Paul Standard with Seymour Duncan PAF pickups. Fuchs Verbrator + EHX Memory Man in the loop. Forgot the playing  Wink

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Emiel_J/?action=view&current=Vernet.mp4
I heard no difference in my amp. If anything 34's have more gain because they have the ability to breakup earlier. In fact ive been turning the gain down on the OD since the swap and boosting the output
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« Reply #676 on: September 15, 2010, 05:36:34 PM »
Quote from: JD0x0 on September 15, 2010, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: Emiel on September 15, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
I am wondering... do EL34's output tubes lessen the gain of an OTS? All the OTS clips w/6L6's I've heard seem to be capable a lot more gain.

Here's a small clip of mine (w/EL34's) where I switch the deep switch on and off. Pre amp volume at 7, midboost on, overdrive level at 8, master at 4, no PAB. I played on a 1993 Gibson Les Paul Standard with Seymour Duncan PAF pickups. Fuchs Verbrator + EHX Memory Man in the loop. Forgot the playing  Wink

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Emiel_J/?action=view&current=Vernet.mp4
I heard no difference in my amp. If anything 34's have more gain because they have the ability to breakup earlier. In fact ive been turning the gain down on the OD since the swap and boosting the output

Interesting... I know that when I played through Erwin's OTS, his had just way more gain... when I use the settings from Jack Zucker, Marin, you etc, I get almost no break up!! I really have to put the pre amp and ratio up high (od trimmer at 11:00 o'clock)..  in the clip the amp was put fairly loud too. Almost if something is 'wrong' with my amp  Huh? I tried different pre amp tubes but no big difference...
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« Reply #677 on: September 15, 2010, 08:33:24 PM »
Emiel what happens if you hit the PAB with the OD channel?
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« Reply #678 on: September 15, 2010, 09:35:07 PM »
@ Tonequest: you are right. I noticed afterwards that the volume of the gain channel was lower than the clean. I will try it tomorrow, thanks for helping out again!

@ Erwin: the tone gets a bit brighter and gainier.
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« Reply #679 on: September 16, 2010, 07:47:14 AM »
Open door maybe? what level is your clean volume? This has an impact on your gain as well.

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« Reply #680 on: September 16, 2010, 11:59:05 AM »
Quote from: Emiel on September 15, 2010, 01:29:45 PM
I am wondering... do EL34's output tubes lessen the gain of an OTS? All the OTS clips w/6L6's I've heard seem to be capable a lot more gain.

Here's a small clip of mine (w/EL34's) where I switch the deep switch on and off. Pre amp volume at 7, midboost on, overdrive level at 8, master at 4, no PAB. I played on a 1993 Gibson Les Paul Standard with Seymour Duncan PAF pickups. Fuchs Verbrator + EHX Memory Man in the loop. Forgot the playing  Wink

http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/Emiel_J/?action=view&current=Vernet.mp4

Maybe it's your internal OD trimmer which is set low... But turn it up a bit and you will get a lot of OD/DIST, don't think the EL34 was anything to do with the amount of overdrive in your amp

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« Reply #681 on: September 16, 2010, 01:03:53 PM »
Hi, many thanks for all your help.

I don't want to hijack this thread, it is just that I have to raise all the gain knobs (preamp, overdrive level and od-trimmer) a lot to get overdrive. Take this Youtube clip par example...



Same amp (but with 6L6s), different speakers however. If I would use the exact same settings as featured in this clip (preamp at 4, midboost on, overdrive at 5.5 and od trimmer at 9:00), with either the Les Paul or better, my Telecaster, my overdrive sound is pretty much clean, if not totally. I have to raise the preamp to 8, the overdrive to 8 and od trimmer to 13:00 to get the same amount of gain... bit weird isn't it?

I just sent an email to the builder. Maybe he can tell more about it...
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« Reply #682 on: September 16, 2010, 02:39:09 PM »
sounds pretty damn good that's for sure. The OTS loves Teles.

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« Reply #683 on: September 17, 2010, 10:03:47 AM »
Emiel:

Is there a way for you to record your amp for us to hear?  Even just an mp3 clip might help us hear what might be going on with your setup.
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« Reply #684 on: September 17, 2010, 10:07:33 AM »
Emiel,
do you know how to measure your plate voltages?
It would be interesting to see if those are normal.
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« Reply #685 on: September 17, 2010, 11:52:19 AM »

 More to come:

 (Sorry about the buzz)

 Got a 84' strat and put some Burstbuckers in it.

 
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« Reply #686 on: September 17, 2010, 11:57:49 AM »
Quote from: boldaslove6789 on September 17, 2010, 11:52:19 AM

 More to come:
 (Sorry about the buzz)
 Got a 84' strat and put some Burstbuckers in it.
 

Great sounds, your best yet!
Sounds like the amp has a nice compression on the OD. How does it feel playing wise.....can you get thos tones with low volume or do you have to crank it? looks like you've got the volume at noon.
What is your gain trim setting? (measured from center pin to ground)
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« Reply #687 on: September 17, 2010, 12:39:48 PM »
Quote from: bluesfendermanblues on September 17, 2010, 11:57:49 AM
Quote from: boldaslove6789 on September 17, 2010, 11:52:19 AM

 More to come:
 (Sorry about the buzz)
 Got a 84' strat and put some Burstbuckers in it.
 

Great sounds, your best yet!
Sounds like the amp has a nice compression on the OD. How does it feel playing wise.....can you get thos tones with low volume or do you have to crank it? looks like you've got the volume at noon.
What is your gain trim setting? (measured from center pin to ground)

 Thanks!

 All my youtube vids are at an above moderate level (Loudness), I was using a D-lator with that BTW and the Level control was set @ about 9 to 10:00 o'clock, Amp Master Vol@ 11:00. All done with a SM57 with a Shotgun Mic approach, the amp itself is dead quiet BTW, that buzz is from the Di (Its messed up right now for some reason?) I use to interface the mic with the camera.

 For the most part I can get them tones @ about any level. The louder it gets the less compressed it gets , the more focused it becomes IMO.

 When I do crank it @ gigs the notes feedback and Bloom into themselfs. This amp gets better every F' in day !! I'll do some slide vids 2day if I get the time.

 I'll measure the gain trim in a few days when I change the Frnt panel LED 
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« Reply #688 on: September 18, 2010, 05:31:04 PM »
I must confess it's a bit gainy for my taste. But maybe that's because it's a HRM?. Porbably just a matter of taste :-)
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« Reply #689 on: September 18, 2010, 06:42:05 PM »
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I must confess it's a bit gainy for my taste. But maybe that's because it's a HRM?. Porbably just a matter of taste :-)

 Steven,

 Yes you're right the Drive was @ about 2:30 and @ a higher setting than usual. I usually turn the drive up when I'm in "Lindley Land" playing slide.
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