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« Reply #135 on: February 21, 2008, 06:17:47 PM »

I'm running the amp clean with an overdrive pedal....it sounds great that way, but the overdrive in the amp itself is very rough and buzzy sounding....It's very frustrating because Sami and Marin are getting the perfect tones that I want out of mine!!!!

I tried the patch cable in the effects loop...i notice a tiny bit of highs diminished, but really does nothing to smooth out the roughness.

PLEASE HELP!!!
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« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2008, 06:22:21 PM »

I'm running the amp clean with an overdrive pedal....it sounds great that way, but the overdrive in the amp itself is very rough and buzzy sounding....It's very frustrating because Sami and Marin are getting the perfect tones that I want out of mine!!!!

I tried the patch cable in the effects loop...i notice a tiny bit of highs diminished, but really does nothing to smooth out the roughness.

PLEASE HELP!!!

have you checked the pre-amp tubes as I suggested? try changing them with one you know is good?

Try disengaging the PAB, turn off the "deep" and "bright" switch. Keep the "Volume" and "Overdrive" know below 5, lower the volume on your guitar (what pickups are you using?).

What speaker are you using?

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« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2008, 07:24:28 PM »

Jeffrey, what OD pedal are you using?
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« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2008, 08:17:14 PM »

Damn, I would never guessed that's an OD pedal. What is it?
It sounds very Dumblish to me.  Huh?

If you don't want to mod the amp it self, like Marin said, tubes, speaker and pickups are the things you can tweak.
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« Reply #139 on: February 21, 2008, 08:50:11 PM »

that particular pedal is a reverend drivetrain II....they don't make them any more, but it is my favorite pedal of all time!!!!  another great one is the xotic bb preamp....it can do the dumble thing as well as a heavier plexi thing!!!!

i really want to get just the overtone to sound like that...if it were a bad preamp tube, wouldn't the clean sound funny, too? 

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« Reply #140 on: February 21, 2008, 09:37:57 PM »

i really want to get just the overtone to sound like that...if it were a bad preamp tube, wouldn't the clean sound funny, too? 

Not exactly... OD tube would affect only the overdrive sound
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« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2008, 12:23:08 AM »

this may be a silly question, but are there 12ax7 tubes that break up smoother than others?
I'm just not getting a musical break up....I'll try to record the amp's distortion so you guys can hear what I'm talking about...
I don't have any extra tubes laying around...can you recommend one that I should try in that position?
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« Reply #142 on: February 22, 2008, 06:59:25 AM »

this may be a silly question, but are there 12ax7 tubes that break up smoother than others?
I'm just not getting a musical break up....I'll try to record the amp's distortion so you guys can hear what I'm talking about...
I don't have any extra tubes laying around...can you recommend one that I should try in that position?

Tough question... you have Tung-Sol in there, right? That is suppose to be quite good tube.

Maybe this will help...
http://thetubestore.com/12ax7review.html

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« Reply #143 on: February 22, 2008, 07:03:20 AM »

You may try JJ tubes. They're smooth and slightly weaker than the Tungsols.

I have to say that I am liking the Tungsols though.


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« Reply #144 on: February 22, 2008, 09:07:45 AM »

this may be a silly question, but are there 12ax7 tubes that break up smoother than others?
I'm just not getting a musical break up....I'll try to record the amp's distortion so you guys can hear what I'm talking about...
I don't have any extra tubes laying around...can you recommend one that I should try in that position?

I haven´t been following this topic very much (and I´m too lazy to go back a few pages), but have you tried checking and adjusting the OD internal trimmer?
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« Reply #145 on: February 22, 2008, 01:44:25 PM »

I have asked that question several times, and nobody has answered me....what exactly does it adjust, and could it smooth out the rough-edged overdrive?

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« Reply #146 on: February 22, 2008, 02:16:48 PM »

I don't have mine yet, but this is a comment from an OTS owber:

 There are three internal trimmers inside the chassis. Two blue and one black with a whiter center. If you are looking into the chassis from the front of the amp, the BLUE trimmer on the far left (on a small board actually mounted on the left side of the chassis) is for the FET channel and Nik states that should be left "high" which is at least at 12:00 and that is how mine came set from the factory. (I haven't experimented with the FET input yet by the way) Moving to the right from the first BLUE trimmer, you'll discover another BLUE trimmer that is on the MAIN circuit board and is located just below and slightly to the left of the second pre amp tube socket (V2). This is the OD trimmer. It is very easy to adjust, (small slotted screwdriver will do) and mine came set (stock) from Nik at 9:00. (basically the slot was straight across) The OD trimmer has a HUGE impact on the tone, volume, and overall vibe of the OD channel. Set too low, (I found 9:00 o'clock too low for my ears/tastes) the OD channel sounds thin and anemic, (even with humbuckers), at volume levels that will get you invited back to many a gig, but the OD channel does seem to come to life a bit at that setting if in fact you do CRANK up the amp, but holy crap is it loud when you do that. Set too high, and the OD channel comes ROARING to life at pretty much any volume, but it VERY QUICKLY moves away from Dumblesque heaven and into Marshall mayhem in a big hurry. Don't get me wrong, the amp sounds great a pretty much any OD trimmer setting (VERY versatile) but it does take some time to dial in the OD channel using the OD trimmer, level, ratio, volume and master volume as well as tone contols set to taste obviously.
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« Reply #147 on: February 22, 2008, 02:21:50 PM »

What I am finding with the Overtone is with the OD trimmer set to anything past 9 oclock the amp gets a little too bright with the PAB engaged and since the tonestack is lifted there is no way to dial it out.  It makes for great Marshall bite but I'm persistant to getting Larry and Robben Dumble tones.  Time for tweaking.

A quote from ChrisL...

You'll never know until you open up the amp and tweak that trimmer.
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« Reply #148 on: February 24, 2008, 04:10:45 PM »

new clip. These are tones I like:

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« Reply #149 on: February 24, 2008, 10:27:18 PM »

I like that tone. Good playing Marin... Smiley
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