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« on: January 13, 2010, 03:03:04 AM »
This is for Nik, in case he missed it in the Suggestions area.

Please!

1) stereo returns in the effects loop
2) speaker emulation on stereo record OUT

Now about the "voicing" original ODS, HRM, Bluesmaster?
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 07:14:13 AM »
Great product idea, but you might be dissapointed by the sound of a preamp, through other poweramps/speakers. IMO the Dumble poweramp and EV12L or 12G65s are an integrated part of the sound.

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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2010, 02:14:21 PM »
Quote from: bluesfendermanblues on January 13, 2010, 07:14:13 AM
Great product idea, but you might be dissapointed by the sound of a preamp, through other poweramps/speakers. IMO the Dumble poweramp and EV12L or 12G65s are an integrated part of the sound.

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Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2010, 04:25:28 PM »
Yep so does my zendrive, to a degree but not 100% there....
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2010, 05:08:54 PM »
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Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp.


I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone.

I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2010, 05:20:56 PM »
Quote from: bluesfendermanblues on January 13, 2010, 04:25:28 PM
Yep so does my zendrive, to a degree but not 100% there....

I heard the ZenDrive II (tube) pedal the other day. Very nice sound for $250. Nik should make something like that, for $125!!!! Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2010, 06:13:15 PM »
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Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp.


I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone.

I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer.


Which is why Dumble himself 'invented' it back in the 80s  Tongue

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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2010, 06:39:26 PM »
Quote from: yosemitespam on January 13, 2010, 05:08:54 PM
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Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp.


I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone.

I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer.

No, speaker emulation on that is just a lowpass filter. Many people on TGP are delusional too. Cheesy

The dumble sound is in the preamp. People can think what they want. People on TGP routinely think that something's better just because it costs more.

Look at the schematics. The power section has few significant differences from what fender or marshall has done.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2010, 12:54:08 AM »
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Quote from: yosemitespam on January 13, 2010, 05:08:54 PM
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Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp.


I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone.

I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer.


Which is why Dumble himself 'invented' it back in the 80s  Tongue


I take it the lower unit is a preamp?  I think Dr Nik could do a much better job than that, with no goofy external Dumbleator needed.  Hopefully for aesthetics, he'd turn to some Boogie preamps for ideas.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2010, 07:12:16 AM »
Quote from: yosemitespam on January 14, 2010, 12:54:08 AM
I take it the lower unit is a preamp?  I think Dr Nik could do a much better job than that, with no goofy external Dumbleator needed.  Hopefully for aesthetics, he'd turn to some Boogie preamps for ideas.

You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum.
Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2010, 05:06:14 PM »

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You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum.

Yes, let's all treat Howard Dumble like the diety he really is.


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Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree.

Dr Nik is a character on The Simpsons. Since you are devoid of a sense of humor, I'm sure that's not one of your favorite shows.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2010, 05:10:39 PM »
Quote from: yosemitespam on January 14, 2010, 05:06:14 PM

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You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum.

Yes, let's all treat Howard Dumble like the diety he really is.


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Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree.

Dr Nik is a character on The Simpsons. Since you are devoid of a sense of humor, I'm sure that's not one of your favorite shows.

What does "diety" mean?
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2010, 06:00:33 PM »
Quote from: bluesfendermanblues on January 14, 2010, 05:10:39 PM
Quote from: yosemitespam on January 14, 2010, 05:06:14 PM

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You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum.

Yes, let's all treat Howard Dumble like the diety he really is.


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Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree.

Dr Nik is a character on The Simpsons. Since you are devoid of a sense of humor, I'm sure that's not one of your favorite shows.

What does "diety" mean?

Hey, you got me with the old "i before e, except after c" exception.

It's DEITY. Sorry for any confusion. Since the advent of spell checkers, I'm not the spelling bee champ I was in the 7th grade.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2010, 06:41:25 PM »
Ok, now it makes sense  Wink so Dumble=gog. No, that would be blasfemi  Wink
Doh - I'm a big fan of Simpsons, but never heard of Dr. Nik, though.    Cool

Peace bro
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2010, 07:23:29 PM »
Quote from: bluesfendermanblues on January 14, 2010, 06:41:25 PM
Ok, now it makes sense  Wink so Dumble=gog. No, that would be blasfemi  Wink
Doh - I'm a big fan of Simpsons, but never heard of Dr. Nik, though.    Cool

Peace bro



Come on now, you know Dr Nick Riviera!

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