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Title: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 13, 2010, 03:03:04 AM This is for Nik, in case he missed it in the Suggestions area.
Please! 1) stereo returns in the effects loop 2) speaker emulation on stereo record OUT Now about the "voicing" original ODS, HRM, Bluesmaster? Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: bluesfendermanblues on January 13, 2010, 07:14:13 AM Great product idea, but you might be dissapointed by the sound of a preamp, through other poweramps/speakers. IMO the Dumble poweramp and EV12L or 12G65s are an integrated part of the sound.
Regards Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: jzucker on January 13, 2010, 02:14:21 PM Great product idea, but you might be dissapointed by the sound of a preamp, through other poweramps/speakers. IMO the Dumble poweramp and EV12L or 12G65s are an integrated part of the sound. Regards Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: bluesfendermanblues on January 13, 2010, 04:25:28 PM Yep so does my zendrive, to a degree but not 100% there....
Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 13, 2010, 05:08:54 PM Quote Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp. I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone. I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 13, 2010, 05:20:56 PM Yep so does my zendrive, to a degree but not 100% there.... I heard the ZenDrive II (tube) pedal the other day. Very nice sound for $250. Nik should make something like that, for $125!!!! :D Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: bluesfendermanblues on January 13, 2010, 06:13:15 PM Quote Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp. I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone. I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer. Which is why Dumble himself 'invented' it back in the 80s :P Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: jzucker on January 13, 2010, 06:39:26 PM Quote Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp. I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone. I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer. No, speaker emulation on that is just a lowpass filter. Many people on TGP are delusional too. :D The dumble sound is in the preamp. People can think what they want. People on TGP routinely think that something's better just because it costs more. Look at the schematics. The power section has few significant differences from what fender or marshall has done. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 14, 2010, 12:54:08 AM Quote Disagree totally. The preamp is the sound of the circuit. The dumble power amp ain't significantly different than a fender. Ethos proves it by getting dumble sounds out of a jfet based "umble" preamp. I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone. I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer. Which is why Dumble himself 'invented' it back in the 80s :P I take it the lower unit is a preamp? I think Dr Nik could do a much better job than that, with no goofy external Dumbleator needed. Hopefully for aesthetics, he'd turn to some Boogie preamps for ideas. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: bluesfendermanblues on January 14, 2010, 07:12:16 AM I take it the lower unit is a preamp? I think Dr Nik could do a much better job than that, with no goofy external Dumbleator needed. Hopefully for aesthetics, he'd turn to some Boogie preamps for ideas. You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum. Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 14, 2010, 05:06:14 PM Quote You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum. Yes, let's all treat Howard Dumble like the diety he really is. Quote Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree. Dr Nik is a character on The Simpsons. Since you are devoid of a sense of humor, I'm sure that's not one of your favorite shows. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: bluesfendermanblues on January 14, 2010, 05:10:39 PM Quote You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum. Yes, let's all treat Howard Dumble like the diety he really is. Quote Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree. Dr Nik is a character on The Simpsons. Since you are devoid of a sense of humor, I'm sure that's not one of your favorite shows. What does "diety" mean? Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 14, 2010, 06:00:33 PM Quote You are not very respectfull towards the person, who invented the amps we are discussing on this forum. Yes, let's all treat Howard Dumble like the diety he really is. Quote Your remarks are downright superficial and shallow. And your reference to Nik as 'Dr. Nik' is a bit offensive as well, Nik didn't invent anything, but gave us Dumble amps really cheap, which is fine but not worthy of a Doctors degree. Dr Nik is a character on The Simpsons. Since you are devoid of a sense of humor, I'm sure that's not one of your favorite shows. What does "diety" mean? Hey, you got me with the old "i before e, except after c" exception. It's DEITY. Sorry for any confusion. Since the advent of spell checkers, I'm not the spelling bee champ I was in the 7th grade. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: bluesfendermanblues on January 14, 2010, 06:41:25 PM Ok, now it makes sense ;) so Dumble=gog. No, that would be blasfemi ;)
Doh - I'm a big fan of Simpsons, but never heard of Dr. Nik, though. 8) Peace bro Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 14, 2010, 07:23:29 PM Ok, now it makes sense ;) so Dumble=gog. No, that would be blasfemi ;) Doh - I'm a big fan of Simpsons, but never heard of Dr. Nik, though. 8) Peace bro Come on now, you know Dr Nick Riviera! Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 18, 2010, 05:42:15 PM Look at the schematics. The power section has few significant differences from what fender or marshall has done. So kindly tell me Mr Z, where does the "Class D" enter the equation? Supposedly Class D means some kind of pulse width modulation (PWM) in a feedback loop, correct? Are Nik's Overtones and real Dumbles truly Class D, or just "Class D like"? PS: VooDoo Labs makes a nice rackmount tube preamp. I wish Nik would make something along those lines. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: erwin_ve on January 19, 2010, 08:28:59 AM Look at the schematics. The power section has few significant differences from what fender or marshall has done. So kindly tell me Mr Z, where does the "Class D" enter the equation? Supposedly Class D means some kind of pulse width modulation (PWM) in a feedback loop, correct? Are Nik's Overtones and real Dumbles truly Class D, or just "Class D like"? PS: VooDoo Labs makes a nice rackmount tube preamp. I wish Nik would make something along those lines. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: bluesfendermanblues on January 19, 2010, 08:52:13 AM Look at the schematics. The power section has few significant differences from what fender or marshall has done. So kindly tell me Mr Z, where does the "Class D" enter the equation? Supposedly Class D means some kind of pulse width modulation (PWM) in a feedback loop, correct? Are Nik's Overtones and real Dumbles truly Class D, or just "Class D like"? PS: VooDoo Labs makes a nice rackmount tube preamp. I wish Nik would make something along those lines. So yosemitespam , lower your guns and go back to school ;-) You gunslinger, You. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 20, 2010, 01:37:43 AM Look at the schematics. The power section has few significant differences from what fender or marshall has done. So kindly tell me Mr Z, where does the "Class D" enter the equation? Supposedly Class D means some kind of pulse width modulation (PWM) in a feedback loop, correct? Are Nik's Overtones and real Dumbles truly Class D, or just "Class D like"? Not really. Nothing in the Class D definition states analog or digital. PWM can be used to modify an analog signal. PS: VooDoo Labs makes a nice rackmount tube preamp. I wish Nik would make something along those lines. So yosemitespam , lower your guns and go back to school ;-) You gunslinger, You. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 20, 2010, 01:40:05 AM OTS and all it's variations have nothing to do with class d. Tell me kind sir, what is the origin of the misnomer? Is it some kind of H.A.D. insider joke? Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: erwin_ve on January 20, 2010, 07:46:53 AM OTS and all it's variations have nothing to do with class d. Tell me kind sir, what is the origin of the misnomer? Is it some kind of H.A.D. insider joke? Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: hywelg on January 20, 2010, 09:09:48 AM Tell me kind sir, what is the origin of the misnomer? Is it some kind of H.A.D. insider joke? It was your post that first mentioned Class D I agree, although "speaker emulation" might have some bearing on tone. I know many people on the Gear Page think as I. A Class D style tube preamp would be the greatest invention since the bread slicer. Title: Re: Overtone rackmount PREAMP????? Post by: yosemitespam on January 21, 2010, 12:09:42 AM OTS and all it's variations have nothing to do with class d. Tell me kind sir, what is the origin of the misnomer? Is it some kind of H.A.D. insider joke? Got ya! Usually Class D implies a switching amp, like these 500 watt babies that weight 5 pounds. Incredible they can do that. |