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« on: August 01, 2008, 02:19:02 PM »
Could it happen?

Anyone know if an overtone reverb is in the works? i would email nick but im sure hes got more important questions to answer Tongue  this is more a curiosity thing, because if there is a OTS reverb on the way I will more than likely wait for that...

cheeerrrrssss everyone Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 03:32:05 PM »
If you look at the Ceriatone range, none of the amps have reverb. Couple that with the fact that Nik recently said that once he has the HRM model done he won't be working on any more D-type models, at least for a while. I personally would love to see his take on a Steel String Slinger, but that's another matter altogether!!

My advice, get whichever OTS you are looking at, a kleinulator and a decent reverb unit and run it in the effects loop using the kleinulator...
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 04:14:56 PM »
Yea i would just buy a separate reverb unit. i cant point you to some really good ones if you need.

I'm almost 100% sure nik wont be adding reverb to any of the amps, for cost reasons and because adding reverb actually changes the sound of an amp in a negative way, even if the reverb is off. Personally i dont like using reverb i set an analog delay to taste.

Let me know if you want some good suggestions for reverb
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 09:55:04 PM »
thanks for the info guys Smiley didnt realise adding reverb was such a big decision!
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 10:34:47 AM »
It should be could that Nik will make a kit for a 63' Fender Reverb Unit !

Someone shoud ask him to.

This unit is simple, and can be a cool "first" build I think.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 09:50:45 PM »
I have a TC Electronic Nova Reverb in the effect line;it works fine even without
any help of a Dumbleator or Kleinulator.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 11:28:08 PM »
Quote from: wolfgang on August 02, 2008, 09:50:45 PM
I have a TC Electronic Nova Reverb in the effect line;it works fine even without
any help of a Dumbleator or Kleinulator.

I  tried with my cheap Digitech Digidelay (which doesn't color my tone on my old Marshall modded (with a tube buffered effect loop).

In the overtone, there is a significant lost in the highs.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2008, 04:59:32 PM »
I have recently upgraded my OTS rig with the TC Electronic G-Sharp (reverb & delay) and BBE Sonic Maximizer 482i running through the effects loop. It is impossible to overstate how good this set up sounds.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2008, 08:16:57 AM »
Quote from: JohnE on August 03, 2008, 04:59:32 PM
I have recently upgraded my OTS rig with the TC Electronic G-Sharp (reverb & delay) and BBE Sonic Maximizer 482i running through the effects loop. It is impossible to overstate how good this set up sounds.  Smiley

What does the Sonic Maximiser do?
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2008, 06:01:38 PM »
i bought a G# and so far have been less than impressed because it semms to lose about 1/2 the amp's volume and worsens the tone that i love.  i am currently building a kleinulator in the hope that it: 1] fixes the G# and 2] improves [fattens] the tone when the effects are not running. laurie.. any thoughts on this?
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2008, 07:30:09 PM »
Quote from: AdrianJ on August 04, 2008, 08:16:57 AM
Quote from: JohnE on August 03, 2008, 04:59:32 PM
I have recently upgraded my OTS rig with the TC Electronic G-Sharp (reverb & delay) and BBE Sonic Maximizer 482i running through the effects loop. It is impossible to overstate how good this set up sounds.  Smiley

What does the Sonic Maximiser do?

It emphasizes the Low & High frequencies and reverses the phase on the mid frequencies. The idea is that it corrects the inefficiencies inherent in loudspeakers. The sonic maximizer makes sure that all frequencies reach the ear at the same time.  OK, that probably does not explain it. To my ears, it gives a hi fidelity quality to your amps out put. Like the difference between an amateur and professional grade recording. Is that any help?
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2008, 07:36:13 PM »
Quote from: lstead on August 04, 2008, 06:01:38 PM
i bought a G# and so far have been less than impressed because it semms to lose about 1/2 the amp's volume and worsens the tone that i love.  i am currently building a kleinulator in the hope that it: 1] fixes the G# and 2] improves [fattens] the tone when the effects are not running. laurie.. any thoughts on this?

Hmmm, I thought I had that problem until I turned up the level and made sure I was set properly in the serial mode. I don't have any volume issues now. I do have to keep all the values (except the "level') low for the delays and reverbs or they are way over the top. I just wanted to have my effects in a rack and not spend an arm and a leg. It has worked for that and I can get a pretty good delay/reverb combo along with great OTS tone.
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« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2008, 01:17:45 AM »
I turned ti 'serial' and it does sound better, but i an forging ahead building the kleinulator any way as i had wondered what difference it would make.....will let y'all know when i finish, laurie
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2008, 07:46:56 AM »
I have the G sharp as well. Works quite well.

With the Kleinulator you'll get a "sweeter"sound. Less punchy and in your face. also a bit less open. Well at least that is my impression.
I'd say with the Kleinulator it's less harsh but if you hit a chord you can't hear the individual strings as good.

I'm pretty happy with the both the G-Sharp and the Kleinulator. For a cheap piece of gear the G# leaves your sound pretty much in tact (try A/B with the bypass switch). maybe it's because of the 24 bit a/d coverter? Having said that I use my fx "sparingly" (RF Quote).

Do you guys feel it's better to use a tiny bit of delay instead of reverb? I kinda like it. even less colouring

Doesn't the BBE alter your tone to much?
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2008, 04:26:00 PM »
The BBE just enhances whatever tone is coming out of the amp. If you have recorded with DI to a computer or digital recorder and then added eq and compression to get a hi fidelity tone. The BBE does something similar to live sound. The BBE manual explains that there are phase differences in the different frequency ranges produced amp speakers. The phase difference means that the peak amplitude  of each frequency arrives at your ear at different times. This creates dissonance.
The BBE gets the peaks of these frequencies aligned. There are only two knobs on the device. One for the "fullness" of the sound and for higher frequencies (adds definition, not increased highs).  If you crank either knob to near one extreme or the other it will "color" your tone, otherwise it just "enhances". 
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