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« on: September 26, 2012, 08:00:28 PM »

Hi everyone, new on here but have been lurking around after recently purchasing a slightly used Bluesmaster HRM 50 watt combo with an EVM. To be honest I bought this Ceriatone, my first I might add, on a whim without knowing much of anything about them other than they are D - Style amps made overseas of high quality. I actually didn't even investiagate any youtube clips till after I hit the BIN! Anyways, I'm a Fender guy by heart and love the sound of a pushed Fender ala SRV and early Colin James. My limited impressions with D - Style amps was that they are like Fenders with more umph but not too much to be pushed into Marshall territory. I found this to be true with the BM, but not at first..

Honestly when the amp first arrived I was somewhat quickly dissapointed. I spent four straight days tweaking the amp like I have never done before with any other amp. It even beat out the long standing tweaking record held with a Mesa Boogie Mark III from many moons ago! Usually I get right on a sound quickly and settle in. Again being mostly a Fender guy, there are way less choices/options to go at with them. The frustrating part with the BM was getting all three footswitchable tones to play nice together. When that fell through I focused on the Clean and the Drive w/PAB engaged 100% on both. At that point my ear told me something.. The magic held inside this amp lies within the clean channel pushed with the first volume knob set high. I should mention I play single coils (Strats). With this set-up all the Fendery sparkle I like was there, with a lot more balls, exactly what I wanted, A massive sounding Fender amp!

I'm over the fact I have an amp with a ton of options, but found only one real usable sound for my style. Hey, that's more than I can say about a lot of other amps that have come and gone over the years. Thanks for your time. HRK
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2012, 12:19:46 AM »

Yes. I push the first volume knob on both clean and OD. Makes a huge difference. Currently it is set between 7-8 for the sweet spot that I like for the BM. I use strat and les paul.

Don't forget that this amp needs at least 50 hours to break in, maybe even 100 hours. Makes a huge diff, esp in the OD channel. You might like the OD better once it is broken in. Also tube rolls make a huge diff.

V1: RCA Short Grey
V2: TungSol RI
V3: Sovtek LPS

...works for me (thanks to others who post here)
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2012, 12:37:49 AM »

Yes. I push the first volume knob on both clean and OD. Makes a huge difference. Currently it is set between 7-8 for the sweet spot that I like for the BM. I use strat and les paul.

Don't forget that this amp needs at least 50 hours to break in, maybe even 100 hours. Makes a huge diff, esp in the OD channel. You might like the OD better once it is broken in. Also tube rolls make a huge diff.

V1: RCA Short Grey
V2: TungSol RI
V3: Sovtek LPS

...works for me (thanks to others who post here)


Thanks, I'll try those tubes. I already replaced the JJ's Power w/ Svetlana C-Wings, took some of the fizz away. I think I have those RCA shorts somewhere??

 I fooled around with the OD a little more today and was able to get a nice Keef sound with some slap back but anything for searing leads is just too over the top for me. More of a vintage guy.

What about the scooped tone on the OD, any ideas? Or is that just the way it is?? Thanks, HRK.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2012, 12:45:26 AM »

There are three OD Trims internal that you can adjust. It does take a long time for the OD to break in. Don't give up on it. I ran music through my OD channel when I was at work. There is an OD trim on the back, but until it is broken in, all bets are off on settings. It changes alot during that time. But all the fizz will disapear.

I use the OD with my les paul. Sounds great and has lots of different amp settings.

The strat is through the clean channel.

Very verstaile amp, for my use anyway. We do lots of rock and blues covers. Nik steered me in the right direction with this amp.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2012, 02:33:06 AM »

Ok. Maybe I'll just throw the JJ's back in and blow through them.  Grin  I guess my daily little practice amp is going on vacation! Thanks, HRK.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2012, 03:42:06 AM »

The OD channel is incredible, but takes some fiddling to find the magic. For me, I never use the od channel without the pab engaged - otherwise you're running through 2 tone stacks, which leads to weirdness. And I needed to spend some time finding the magic settings on the internal TMB trimmers - I think I have the bass one at the just barely on setting, midrange on about 9 oclock, and the treble at around 1 oclock. Then it's just a matter of finding a balance the the 3 gain settings that work for you - I push the first volume control - 7 or 8 for a strat, 6 for humbuckers; the overdrive drive knob is set at 7, and the OD knob on the back is at 11 oclock - this combination is pretty intense for most stuff, but if you back off on the guitar volume you'll find the magic spot.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2012, 11:34:14 AM »

For me, I never use the od channel without the pab engaged - otherwise you're running through 2 tone stacks, which leads to weirdness.

Agreed ^ It adds more than just gain, it adds highs, lows and general fullness. Again, not being in the know with these designs, I was under the impression I was going to use the pab like a solo boost but that ain't happening.

Although my original plan was to get into more of a plug-&-play type of amp this amp has grabbed my attention. Initial frustration has turned into a quest. I like that the sound is not generic and the fact it shows the individual character of different guitars.

I read statements on here where guys are comparing the od to that of a Marshall. I had a lot of Marshalls in my day and maybe at certain settings I can hear some Plexi tones, never 800 or newer.. I mostly hear cranked Tweed tones with that signature thick harmonic od. Actually this amp, the more I listen to it, reminds me of a Boogie Mark I, ala Carlos Santana. Even the clean channel, very Blackface Twin to my ears. I like it. This amp at 30-35 watts would be perfect.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2012, 01:47:38 PM »

The Marshall tones on the BM are more early type Marshall, so like a JTM 45, maybe Plexi-ish. Since the early Marshalls, like the JTM were based on Tweed Fender circuits, then the BM overdrive is more like a cranked tweed or early Marshall. The HRM stack, especially with the PAB engaged to bypass the first stack makes it sound slightly more Marshallish, especially if you tweak the HRM stack that way. Also, it is thought that the HRM and BM's OD were designed to be used with the PAB enaged, bypassing the main stack. If not you are going through two tone stacks instead of one which can sound like mud...

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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2012, 03:43:23 PM »

Yeah, I was just playing it again and I'm starting to hear that. I was able to dial in a perfect Black Crowes (First Time To Say Goodbye) tone. I read somewhere that song was recorded with a cranked Victoria Tweed of some sort and a Marshall Jubilee.

Another thing is all my humbucker equippet guitars have hot pu's in them, JB's, Tone Zone, etc. The extra bass from those hot pu's are not helping matters. I need to get some low output paf's through this amp in order to find the ultimate sweet spot. My Strats sound superb. Time to break out the solder gun - There's work to be done! HRK
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2012, 04:25:09 PM »

Also, when I pull the chassis, looking top front to back, where should these trim pots be/look like? Which is what.. T,M,B? Does it only affect the od? Thanks, HRK.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2012, 10:17:40 PM »

Only affects the OD. I can email the BM Manual or you can download it from ceriatone website. It clearly shows the layout of the internal OD trims.

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2012, 01:26:47 AM »

Ok, thanks gigs.

I played the amp a lot today and it really does sound good. My wife even commented which is unusual. It's a little flubby in the bass but no worse than some vintage Fenders. My buddy has an old Bassman 4x10 and it too flubs on the low-end. It's considered the Holy Grail!

Pumping out Stones tunes in open G, I like the vintage tones I'm getting. I might hold off for a while with tweaking inside. It's like I wanna make changes just because the amp is somewhat different. It's growing on me though.

I would like to know if anybody was able to get the low-end flub out with the trim pot tweaks? Thanks,

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2012, 03:45:45 AM »

Yes, this amp is really bass heavy. I have the front panel bass knob set on 2 1/2, and the internal trimmer just barely turned on. It's still got more than enough low end like this!
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2012, 05:36:29 PM »

Yes, this amp is really bass heavy. I have the front panel bass knob set on 2 1/2, and the internal trimmer just barely turned on. It's still got more than enough low end like this!

Thanks sduck, Would say there was some improvement? And how much % wise if you could? I too am crrently running the Bass on the front around 2 1/2 so by trimming it down inside what can I expect?

I don't think there is necessarily too much Bass now.. The thing is sometimes I hit the low E a little hard and hear some nasties like a weird overtone, no pun intended.  Cheesy  Thanks.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2012, 06:25:29 PM »

My strat thru clean is fantastic.

The Les Paul was way too bassy in OD mode on the neck pup position. First thing I did was lower the pickup height of the neck pup (the low E string side) on the Les Paul which helped alot, to my surprise. So I have held off on adjusting the internal bass OD trim, but I will soon. Also my 2x12 cab was closed in back, so I took out one of the back panels which helped as well.
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