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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2010, 10:35:57 PM »

Fully agree with Nairbr regarding amp settings for both Strats and les paul guitars.

However, if the amp in question is a BLUESMASTER, early breakup will happen if the BASS POT is above 2½-3 (8:00-8:30 o'clock). The Bluesmaster amps are bass monsters, so you have to keep that pot way down.

There seem to be some confusion regarding the Bluesmaster, people tend to believe that the PI (Phase inverter) and/or poweramp is the reason for ealy break up in Bluesmasters. It all comes down to excessive bass in the Bluesmaster preamp. Period :-) If you want a balanced tone from the Bluesmaster preamp, you have to keep the Bass (and mid) control really, really low.

If you are in doubt about this, make a search for a picture of Matt Schofield or Larry Carlton's Bludo BLUESMASTER settings, and you will see that both players have the tone control settings close to:

- treble at '5' (12 o'clock)
- mid at 3 (9 o'clock) and
- BASS at 2½ (8:30 o'clock).

You might argue that a stellar player like Scott Lerner, who use mostly Bluesmaster amps (Glaswerks and Bludo's) has his tone controls at noon?? Yes, but Scott Lerner almost always plays lead guitar on his clips - with OD and PAB on. AND Scott use MAGA BOOST, which in effect means that in his clips the tone controls are not active at all.

Hope this helps

I'll try a high preamp and low master setting, but I usually try to leave the master as high as I can to get good cleans, like on my Twin II with good flat bright speakers.

I saw the photos, and it's worth noting that the settings I use on my Fuchs ODS are completely different to what I use on my BM50:
On Fuchs low OD 1 (9 o'clock), noon for OD2, flat EQ, low presence. this is with the Fuchs 2x12 with very dark Eminence Red white and blues
on the BM50, trebly EQ, low bass, high presence, both OD on noon. BM50 is still darker (with a celestion Gold, more so with a Fane AXA12, dark as you like with any non-Alnico driver).
I would conclude that the Bludotone settings don't necessarily map across to the BM50. Nice to see the pictures though

tbh I am very happy with the BM50 other than the upside-down deep switch and the overkill PAB, so these are on the list for my tech to remedy.
I would like a little more brightness, but only half as much as the bright switch gives

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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2010, 06:43:13 PM »

Is Larry Carlton's amp set to jazz mode on those photos?

anyway, just tested my Bm50 with low master vol + high preamp vol
Certainly is a lot cleaner with high Vol and low master vol, sounds a little thin though - not sure if I prefer it, will try more EQ settings soon
With OD on (and trim down to match the new vol/master settings), the OD is a lot smoother but more distorted.
More like the traditional Carlton tone, but I'm not sure I like it as much as my normal settings

Anyway this amp is complicated enough to dial in sounds without this to add to my options
This amp is so flexible
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Just started with pedals a little after a 10 year purist spell, but usually just delay
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2010, 07:45:08 PM »

Interested topic!

@Tonecontrol: according to that pic, Carlton seems to have the bright switch down and mid boost and rock switch up where Schofield has the bright up and rock up, mid down. Try different treble bleed caps on your guitars, it really comes in very handy and you'll find yourself playing more with the volume and tone knob on the guitar to get different sounds. P.S. how can you have the master up so loud? Mine is at 4 but I lower the overall volume with a Fuchs Reverbrator (send and return at 25%). Yet the volume is still quite loud for playing at home.

@ topicstarter, hans: I have to say that after some months of constant dailing in different settings and being not happy I think I have now a setting which I quite like with both my Telecaster and Les Paul. I'm just slowly starting to know this amp... I've been dialing in less and less overdrive, too much seems to make the amp sound a bit blurry/mushy and I run the amp quite bright as well, which can be fairly useless when playing at your own but simply great with a band. Have a listen to Robben Ford's most recent sound, it can be really bright at times, especially with his Telecaster! The OTS doesn't show it's full potential when played at home, it's really a stage amp imho. Just like with Marshall's... though the Fuchs Verbrator 'master volume' feature does really do wonders to the sound at home. Without it's just too bright.
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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2010, 08:39:39 PM »

Interested topic!

@Tonecontrol: according to that pic, Carlton seems to have the bright switch down and mid boost and rock switch up where Schofield has the bright up and rock up, mid down. Try different treble bleed caps on your guitars, it really comes in very handy and you'll find yourself playing more with the volume and tone knob on the guitar to get different sounds. P.S. how can you have the master up so loud? Mine is at 4 but I lower the overall volume with a Fuchs Reverbrator (send and return at 25%). Yet the volume is still quite loud for playing at home.

well, I bought a detached, brick-built house for a reason! It is quite loud.When I want to be quiet, I play my DC30 or use an Isobox I had built
As I say, I have master=8, vol=2-3; about same dB in the room as master=2, vol = 6-7 (both in rock mode)
I couldn't see the switches that well in those photos. Which way is on for the switches on those amps?
On the BM50 it should be up=on (athough the deep switch is wired wrong)
On my Fuchs ODS, on is up too

I do plan to try treble bleed caps again (I stopped using them a long time ago), although I have learnt from my DC30 that with the right amp/speakers, it can be more about tweaking the treble down on the guitar when running the guitar on full volume.

I tried a kleinulator and I didn't feel it improved the sound, so I don't use the FX loop
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Dr Tone Control, Strats mostly, prefer saturated clean tones, a little OD sometimes
BM50, JTM45, 36w EF86, DZ30, Expression, + non-Ceriatones (Matchless, Victoria, Wienbrock)
Just started with pedals a little after a 10 year purist spell, but usually just delay
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