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« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2012, 11:48:55 AM »

the c-lator affects both the clean and drive channels. The Drive knob controls how much signal goes thru the send and return going to your effects, but it also affects how much signal is finally output as well, just as rolling your guitar's volume up and down would.

it shouldn't sound more muddy with the PAB engaged, if anything it should sound less muddy. hmm now i'm curious
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« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2012, 12:08:50 PM »

Oh sorry, let me retract that comment

 PAB + OD it sounds fizzy and harsh. PAB + clean it sounds muddy
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« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2012, 12:16:21 PM »

i wanted to post a few youtube clips from forum member mckinku and a live clip i found from a guy named sam berce. i kinda wanna show the Bluesmaster doing what its best and, how it truly sounds, to kinda get everyone on the same page. These clips, to me are very representative of the Bluesmaster, and how mine sounds with the Deltas in it and hopefully how it will sounds with the California and Michigan in it. With the 1265's it is not nearly as punchy and well defined.

The Bluesmaster really has a voice that is different from the rest of the OTS series, and while it can get close to the others, it just is not what it's best at. Of course, these are with the HRM engaged. I have yet to find any clips with it bypassed, and i don't have any decent recording equipment...yet.










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« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2012, 12:22:23 PM »

Oh sorry, let me retract that comment

 PAB + OD it sounds fizzy and harsh. PAB + clean it sounds muddy

ah, ok. That actually makes more sense. Mine was like that at first, and after a while the harshness and fizziness went away, and the clean channel doesn't sound muddy with the PAB either. The clean channel can get muddy with the PAB engaged depending on how you have the input and master volumes set, and if you have the bright switches on or off, and depending on where you have the presence set at. How to set the controls depends alot on your guitar, and which input you are using. Personally, i never use the low input; i found it made all my guitars sound muddy. The way you have your c-lator set can affect all of it as well. It can be tricky and frustrating to get it right, believe me i went through it  Wink, but when you get it right, believe me, you will be in heaven!

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« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2012, 12:25:05 PM »

+1 on the TADs.  I actually put a TAD 7025 in the Clator too!  Does in fact sound good.  I prefer the Tung-sols for cost effective choices for the V2.  The TADs I have in the power section have been there for almost 2 years, daily playing, running pretty hot.  Really good choice.

The 7025 is a total game changer for the c-lator. Every other tube i stuck in there produced alot of hiss. I can see why fender recommended them for a while.
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« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2012, 12:59:00 PM »

Thanks for reminding me why I choose this amp Gregg!

Now I remember, this amp sounds a little more versatile to me, whereas the OTS sounded very particular in it's tone.

I'm sure all the hard work will pay off Smiley

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« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2012, 03:00:43 PM »

Glad i could help! I am sure it will pay off. I am even more convinced after the little experiment i just finished up.

On a whim i decided to hook the BM up to the speakers in my JC-90. Wowsers!!! I know i am going to be very happy when the Cali and the Michigan get here! I have been a/b'n the 1265's and my old deltas, just to make sure i wasn't hearing what i wanted to hear. The final result is that the 1265's just can't handle all the low end that the BM has, and aren't quite as bright as i like and the deltas can handle the lows, but they are so old and worn out that they really can't get the mids or highs like the should.

The JC-90 speakers, which are 10" eminence speakers (i don't know which line) handle all the lows, mids and highs perfectly and the amp sounded perfectly balanced on both the clean and OD side for the first time!I really think that the Cali with its JBL heritage and the Michigan with its EV heritage may end up being the perfect combo for this amp! I am the most stoked i have been since i first got the amp!  Chair Dance

So, Strat, i am positive that your hard work will pay off, and that when you get the new tubes and the EV in there, you will be ecstatic!

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« Reply #82 on: April 18, 2012, 11:59:44 AM »

That's great news! You sure sound excited about getting the new speakers.

On my end, I've just picked up the EV today and should be able to get it in this weekend. Need to head out and buy a new speaker cable as the WGS came with one soldered on.

Will probably order the tubes tomorrow....all on track!
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« Reply #83 on: April 18, 2012, 12:33:42 PM »

That's great news! You sure sound excited about getting the new speakers.

On my end, I've just picked up the EV today and should be able to get it in this weekend. Need to head out and buy a new speaker cable as the WGS came with one soldered on.

Will probably order the tubes tomorrow....all on track!


Very cool!!
Yes i got a lil to excited yesterday, lack of sleep will do that to ya  Grin

Just a lil tip for ya, you can always just de solder the leads from the warehouse speaker, and then slide em in to the posts of the EV, which, if memory serves, should have the heavy duty binding posts like a JBL. That can save you a few bucks!!

Looking forward to hearing how the EV sounds in your amp!

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« Reply #84 on: April 18, 2012, 12:44:18 PM »

Thanks Gregg, I was thinking that myself Smiley

The person I bought the EV from had an amp with other EV in it. He offered for me to try play and have a listen and I must admit, the clarity and bass response was great! Although it probably isn't a good comparison being the speaker was in a different type amp, but I think the speaker will be a great match with the BM. Nice and bright with a tight bottom end.

On another note, the amp I tried out was a Seymour Duncan, which sounded surprisingly good.

Tubes should be arrive sometime next week, and I've also picked up the les Paul from the guitar tech today as well. Should have everything together ready for testing by next weekend I'd say...
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« Reply #85 on: April 18, 2012, 12:57:59 PM »

Thanks Gregg, I was thinking that myself Smiley

The person I bought the EV from had an amp with other EV in it. He offered for me to try play and have a listen and I must admit, the clarity and bass response was great! Although it probably isn't a good comparison being the speaker was in a different type amp, but I think the speaker will be a great match with the BM. Nice and bright with a tight bottom end.

On another note, the amp I tried out was a Seymour Duncan, which sounded surprisingly good.

Tubes should be arrive sometime next week, and I've also picked up the les Paul from the guitar tech today as well. Should have everything together ready for testing by next weekend I'd say...

Sweeeet!!! What tubes did you end up going with? I can't remember if you said or not yet  Grin

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« Reply #86 on: April 18, 2012, 01:19:50 PM »

This thread is sure getting mighty big Smiley

Ive got my eyes on some NOS RCAs for V1 on eBay Australia
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160782194100?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_922

V2, I'm going for JAn Phillips

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160782194100?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_922

V3, I'm going For the sovteks
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160782194100?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_922

Also getting the TAD 7025 or the clator. I think it's clear that I'm taking onboard with the advice on this forum Smiley
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« Reply #87 on: April 18, 2012, 01:51:14 PM »

This thread is sure getting mighty big Smiley

Ive got my eyes on some NOS RCAs for V1 on eBay Australia
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160782194100?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_922

V2, I'm going for JAn Phillips

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160782194100?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_922

V3, I'm going For the sovteks
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/160782194100?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_922

Also getting the TAD 7025 or the clator. I think it's clear that I'm taking onboard with the advice on this forum Smiley


Nice selection! I have always been wary of buying tubes off of ebay. partly because they are so many forgeries floating around, and partly because alot of them are untested. the prices aren't too bad on em, which is good, since you won't be out much money, but also makes me a lil wary of em, since usually those run between $50-$80 US, so they may or may not be the real deal, but like i said it's only about $30 so at least you aren't out much.

One suggestion for you, if you haven't bought them already, is that i would just buy a matched pair of the RCA's and run them both in V1 & V2 for now. I was playing through the JC-90 speaker yesterday and found that the JAN 5751, while sounding goo thtough the 1265's by taming the mids a bit, didn't sound nearly as good through the more neutral speaker, just FYI

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« Reply #88 on: April 19, 2012, 08:24:30 AM »

Okay, I missed out on the NOS RCA's, so instead I've bought 2 Tung Sol for V1 & V2, with a Sovtek for V3.

Bought the TAD's for the Clator also..... should all be here mid next week. By then, I'll have the EV in and all ready to be tested with the tubes.

Really hoping the speaker and tubes will brighten her up, and help the OD.
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« Reply #89 on: April 19, 2012, 05:01:47 PM »

Okay, I missed out on the NOS RCA's, so instead I've bought 2 Tung Sol for V1 & V2, with a Sovtek for V3.

Bought the TAD's for the Clator also..... should all be here mid next week. By then, I'll have the EV in and all ready to be tested with the tubes.

Really hoping the speaker and tubes will brighten her up, and help the OD.

Very cool!! Sounds like it is all coming together! I'm getting anxious for my speakers to get built and shipped out. I'm really hoping i made the right choice after reading about and listening to clips of Weber's NeoMag 12. It is supposed to sound even closer to the JBL than the Cali AND you can get with a paper dome and a cloth surround so it won't be so ice picky and will have tighter and fuller low end. I guess i could just order a set of those later if i'm really curious, since that aren't terribly expensive.

I feel like i', thread jaclking  Embarrassed

What did you end up getting for power tubes?

Gregg

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