Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
December 23, 2024, 01:30:38 PM
Home Help Search Login Register
News: Ceriatone Forums are up and running!!!
 
Guests please register
Note: If you want to help you can donate to keep the forums alive.



Do you want to advertise on this forum ? Send me a private message.

Amplified Parts
+  Ceriatone Forum
|-+  Ceriatone
| |-+  Overtone
| | |-+  Fx in the clator or back out front?		 « previous next »
Pages: [1] Go Down Print
Author Topic: Fx in the clator or back out front?  (Read 8453 times)
hurtwoodec
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 79


View Profile
« on: August 02, 2012, 09:35:14 AM »
Hi guys, im lovin my Fm me. I have been trying my board out front of the amp and not in the loop of the clator. Has anyone else experimented with this? I'd love to hear your thoughts.

A friend (and great player - he just got a jeff traugott acoustic, I wanted to cry (seriously!) when I heard it) said that RF is running his fx out front again and showed me some pics, and yes I think it does sound better. I will never let the clator go (its now integral to my sound and rig) but am really happy running all the fx out front!!

Thoughts appreciated.
Logged
Carol Ann OD-2
OTS 50 modded and modded
Carol Ann Tucana 3
2000 PRS McCarty
2011 PRS CU24 59/09s 5w blade
2009 PRS DGT
2009 Fender CS 1957 Heavy Relic Strat
fltundra
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 27


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 11:14:00 AM »
That's one of the reasons i purchased the Fuchs verbrator. Was i had to have the option of being able to run effects in parallel and not serial. Plus the re-verbs amazing! Having to deal with a rack sized d-lator was a problem for me too.  Time based effects are supposed to be in the loop, you want distortion pedals out front.
Logged
Kevster
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 90


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 01:39:18 PM »
I would agree with the out front thing, unless you have a Minimix II or X-Blender.  I've just added the latter to my FM50ME/C-Lator/G Major II w/EVM12L and it just leapfrogged right over the "out front" sound I was using before.  Without the X-Blender, it was sucking tone!!!

So, I think that may be why some of the real tone heads around here use the MMII for loop effects. 

The X-Blender was worth EVERY PENNY to get the tone!!!
Logged
Pickmaster
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 504



View Profile WWW
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 03:51:58 PM »
It is hard to give an advice on such matters.
Most important is what makes you play and feel better!.
Personally I only use wah pedal with a true bypass in front of the amp and time based FXs in the amp loop (C-lator or whatever). For me also nothing is better than my amp’s drive. No pedal comes closer ( I’ve tried Ethos TLE, Damkudo, Zendrive, freakish Alpha drive, Koch pedaltone and many more).
Logged
Founder and technical director of the Custom Cabinet Company – CCC
http://www.customcabcom.com
boldaslove6789
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 310


I'm never too loud, HAHAHA


View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 12:53:30 AM »
The Only reason RF uses FX Out front is because he's either A.) Renting an Amp and has no choice to use a FX pedal board to get his sound and versatility. Or B.) he doesn't use the D-lator/2290 setup with his Dumble anymore so he uses time based effects, and doesn't even use the amps Overdrive anymore, he uses a Zendrive instead (Why this is, I have no clue? But it is what it is).

If you're still using Time baed FX, I'd put them in the loop. If you plan on using time based FX out front it will make the Overdrive sound Muddy and all chopped up. Put and OD/Fuzz/ and or pedal Modulation FX pedals in front of the amp.

Only IMO of course, I've tried all the setups, all the different D-lators (Klein, Quinn-u-lator, Bludotone Loop-a-lator, Two-Rock ELI II), and I always keep my Time based FX (Providance Chrono) in the the built in Dumbleator of my Quinn, and I use the amps OD, but I put my Modulation FX (Modded Arion Chorus, Uni-Vibe), a Delica Fuzz & Quinn Fuzz Petal, and Clyde Mccoy Wah in front of the amp. 
Logged
-Greg D. Clark

Stop searching for tone, INVENT IT!

http://www.funkymunkpedals.com/
Pedals That Speak!

 http://www.youtube.com/GDClarkProject
hurtwoodec
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 79


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2012, 09:00:10 AM »
ive seen a current shot of RF s setup. Not from his fansite but really recent ie weeks old not months or years. It definately had the Zen back in (not the dumkudo) and has modulation and time based effects going into the front of his dumble. Nothing was in the loop. I dont even know of RF uses a dumbleator type product.

It made me experiment with everything out front and while my reverb is really accentuated with the od channel engaged, everything else sounds good!!

go figure?!!
Logged
Carol Ann OD-2
OTS 50 modded and modded
Carol Ann Tucana 3
2000 PRS McCarty
2011 PRS CU24 59/09s 5w blade
2009 PRS DGT
2009 Fender CS 1957 Heavy Relic Strat
wyatt
Guest
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 05:54:39 PM »
Quote from: hurtwoodec on August 10, 2012, 09:00:10 AM
ive seen a current shot of RF s setup. Not from his fansite but really recent ie weeks old not months or years. It definately had the Zen back in (not the dumkudo) and has modulation and time based effects going into the front of his dumble. Nothing was in the loop. I dont even know of RF uses a dumbleator type product.

It made me experiment with everything out front and while my reverb is really accentuated with the od channel engaged, everything else sounds good!!

go figure?!!

Try a little slapback or other delay in front instead -- one or two repeats, short delay.  

It's a far more common setup when laying live professionally than using onboard or effect reverb, which gets too wet too fast in auditoriums.
Logged
plasticvonaband
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 747


Pickin and Grinnin since 1989


View Profile WWW
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 07:27:54 AM »
Quote from: wyatt on August 10, 2012, 05:54:39 PM
Quote from: hurtwoodec on August 10, 2012, 09:00:10 AM
ive seen a current shot of RF s setup. Not from his fansite but really recent ie weeks old not months or years. It definately had the Zen back in (not the dumkudo) and has modulation and time based effects going into the front of his dumble. Nothing was in the loop. I dont even know of RF uses a dumbleator type product.

It made me experiment with everything out front and while my reverb is really accentuated with the od channel engaged, everything else sounds good!!

go figure?!!

Try a little slapback or other delay in front instead -- one or two repeats, short delay.  

It's a far more common setup when laying live professionally than using onboard or effect reverb, which gets too wet too fast in auditoriums.

This is what i've been doing lately, since i stopped using the c-lator. I use a Roland Space Echo, the small resissue pedal, not an original tape unit, and adjust the delay to where i need it. Works pretty darn good.
Logged
Overdrive is like peanut butter. Some like it crunchy, some like it creamy.
Bluesmaster 50 2x12 combo and some guitars.
Pages: [1] Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.12 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!

CeriaTone Forum is not afiliated with Ceriatone Amplifications. The CeriaTone and name, logo and related trademarks and service marks, owned by CeriaTone. , are registered and/or used in the U.S. and many foreign countries. All other trademarks, service marks, and trade names referenced in this site are the property of their respective owners.