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Question: What's the the best sounding loop in your opinion?
Kleinulator   -4 (17.4%)
Dumblelator   -16 (69.6%)
Honestly I don't hear a difference.   -3 (13%)
Total Voters: 21

Author Topic: Dumblelator vs. Kleinulator  (Read 58254 times)
erwin_ve
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« on: May 25, 2009, 09:43:16 AM »
Last friday I had a pleasant meeting with a member of this board; Steven_nl.
We compared his Kleinulator with my Dumblelator.
We also recorded it, so you could share in the joy Chair Dance

Here it is:  www.e-noize.nl/goodies/Dlator_vs_Klein.mp3
It's a large file(13,5 Mb) so it could take a while!

Track                     Kleinulator                   Dumblelator
My one and only…       0.00-0.42                   0.45-1.22
Funky vamp       1.24-2.00                   2.01-2.39
Landau thing       2.41-3.23                   3.25-4.28
Don’t need no Johnny  4.31-5.05                   5.06-5.48
Talk to your son       5.52-6.33                   6.37-7.19

All tracks are recorded with same settings and no fx in the loop. Also no eq and no other fx are added afterwards.
So it may feel a little to direct, however it's the best method to compare IMHO.
All tracks were normalized, initially I thought it had no volume issues. But the Dumbleator is compressing a fair amount, so it feels louder.

Steven and I are very curious what your opinions are. So please vote and leave a message if you have noticed something.

Erwin
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 10:14:47 AM »
Very interesting comparison. K* seems warmer all the way through than D*, but less noticeable on the cleans maybe. I'd guess you could dial out the difference with the amp eq.

What were your amp settings, I'm guessing but I think you had it quite loud yes? What guitar amd speaker?
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2009, 10:45:28 AM »
Quote from: hywelg on May 25, 2009, 10:14:47 AM
Very interesting comparison. K* seems warmer all the way through than D*, but less noticeable on the cleans maybe. I'd guess you could dial out the difference with the amp eq.

What were your amp settings, I'm guessing but I think you had it quite loud yes? What guitar amd speaker?



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guitar; strat, on bridge; mini sd59, mid and neck pick-up; Fralin vintage hot
Speaker; vernet cab with 2x Celestion G12-65
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2009, 11:24:55 AM »
Great work Erwin & Steven,

I liked the Dumbleator - punchier, clearer, louder.
Lovely playing too.
Cheers
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 11:45:36 AM »
The Klein is my only contribution (plus driving down to Erwin's place). The rest is all  Erwin

I found the Dumblelator to be more transparant, it has a bit more bite. The Klein seems a bit warmer.
Cheers
Steven
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 11:48:22 AM »
Quote from: Steven_nl on May 25, 2009, 11:45:36 AM
The Klein is my only contribution (plus driving down to Erwin's place). The rest is all  Erwin

I found the Dumblelator to be more transparant, it has a bit more bite. The Klein seems a bit warmer.
Cheers
Steven

I couldn't have done it without you Steven!
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 11:51:34 AM »
A comment on the wamer/brighter thing: My dumblelator has a Tung sol 12ax7 tube in it The type of tube is known to have a mid/high spike. With a JJ ecc83(12ax7) it would be less bright.
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2009, 11:53:19 AM »
I voted for Dumblelator as well...
punchier, clearer, louder

Klein was warmer, a little dull compared to Dumblator

Did you try the bright switch on the Klein?
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 11:56:43 AM »
not in the recording. I find the birght switch is nice for some special tones. But I feel it gets a bit nasty if you use it with OD.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2009, 12:05:29 PM »
Quote from: Steven_nl on May 25, 2009, 11:56:43 AM
not in the recording. I find the birght switch is nice for some special tones. But I feel it gets a bit nasty if you use it with OD.

Maybe you could try smaller bright cap... you have 270p and 1000p in there.
You could replace 270p with 120p...

...never mind I'm in a building mode and can only think about modding stuff right now...
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2009, 02:59:27 PM »
I've not listened yet, but please fill me in on the details as I'm new to the ots world.
I know the K** is from Ceriatone, but where is the D** from? Is it an actual Dumble piece?
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2009, 08:03:27 PM »
Anyone uses Fuchs Verbrator? Compared to Klein or the D?
I'm using BM HRM 50 and wonder what to to buy (I can get the Fuchs here in Germany but it's expansive), where did you buy your Dumblelator?
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2009, 01:30:49 AM »
Does this mean I need to do *umbleator? Smiley


It's already in the works, but too much stuff going on here currently.

The chassis is rack type, but made shorter so it'd fit at the bottom of the can (about 7" depth only or so).

Thanks!

Nik
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2009, 07:01:09 AM »
Quote from: djroge1 on May 25, 2009, 02:59:27 PM
I've not listened yet, but please fill me in on the details as I'm new to the ots world.
I know the K** is from Ceriatone, but where is the D** from? Is it an actual Dumble piece?
Dumblelator; tube buffered effects loop (a cathode-follower output with a triode gain stage for recovery). The design is by Mr. Dumble.

The Kleinulator is a FET based d-lator.

The D-lator used for this test, was build by me. It's an actual correct and verified design as posted on ampgarage. Since I have no commercial building intentions I have no problems calling it and lettering it as the original.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2009, 07:04:46 AM »
Quote from: ampkits on May 26, 2009, 01:30:49 AM
Does this mean I need to do *umbleator? Smiley


It's already in the works, but too much stuff going on here currently.

The chassis is rack type, but made shorter so it'd fit at the bottom of the can (about 7" depth only or so).

Thanks!

Nik


Hi Nik,

Did you hear something that may speed up that process? Grin
Thnx for listening!
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