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« on: June 08, 2008, 08:50:19 AM »
Hi guys,

no offense, i think everyone that has posted a clip has hit some great tone, and are all good players.  But to be honest i think they all kind of lean around the same sort of tone and no one has really showed the versatility that this amp is supposed to have...

whilst the distorted tones of this amp have been thrown around greatly in here, i am yet to hear an attempt at a mellow "make your heart melt" tone...

so, considering this is a competitor of the two-rocks/fuchs/etc.. i was wondering if anyone who owns an amp could please try to replicate this, from a two-rock signature:



if that sort of tone can even be approached on this OTS, then i think we would all gain a much greater appreciation of the versatility of sounds this amp can reproduce.

i only say this because although the carlton/ford tones are sweet, i would like to see if you can hit more traditional bluesy tones...

ps i think if that clean sound above was matched with a slight boost from an ibaneztube screamer it would just about be heaven from a speaker Tongue

cheers guys Smiley (and im sorry i dont mean to sound like a troll!)
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2008, 10:01:44 AM »
john mayer...fuck thats a beautiful riff.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2008, 10:32:33 AM »
Tone isn't only in the amp
but if you listen to these




you get a general idea (hope you don't mind Andy and Marin)
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2008, 10:48:30 AM »
gridlock: yeh that riff in particular is pretty nice!

steven: true tone isnt all in the amp, but knowing what sort of ballpark you can get yourself into is handy when you cant go into a store and play it for yourself Tongue

i like those clips have seen them before, but in comparison id have to say the OTS cleans i've heard sound good and clear but just slightly too "tinny" or a bit too thin...by that i mean there isnt a lot of low down resonance and nice bass to complement the shimmering highs, but im not sure if thats the way they have set the tone controls up or if thats because you simply cant achieve it, which is why ive set the challenge LOL

i say this all comparitively to the TR sound above however, on its own of course it still sounds awesome!
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 09:36:58 PM »
I am still waiting for my OTS to arrive-So I can not comment on the cleans. However, there are some other great clips of the clean tones on You Tube. In addition, the TR is $4500-$5000  Shocked and the OTS is $1350 delivered  Grin. I will take my chances  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2008, 10:14:36 PM »
plus: speakers play an important role as well!
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2008, 11:08:11 PM »
Quote from: cadsy48 on June 08, 2008, 10:48:30 AM
gridlock: yeh that riff in particular is pretty nice!

steven: true tone isnt all in the amp, but knowing what sort of ballpark you can get yourself into is handy when you cant go into a store and play it for yourself Tongue

i like those clips have seen them before, but in comparison id have to say the OTS cleans i've heard sound good and clear but just slightly too "tinny" or a bit too thin...by that i mean there isnt a lot of low down resonance and nice bass to complement the shimmering highs, but im not sure if thats the way they have set the tone controls up or if thats because you simply cant achieve it, which is why ive set the challenge LOL

i say this all comparitively to the TR sound above however, on its own of course it still sounds awesome!
Cadsy48,
I am not sure if your question can be answered convincingly, but I'll throw my two cents in here.
1st: A YouTube recording is a facsimile of the real tone, so you are only getting an idea of what it sounds like in person.
2nd: 90% of what you are hearing in that sample is coming out of J.M.'s fingers and would sound very similar on any amp with a high quality clean tone.
3rd: I believe that I am getting that tone from my OTS with the following settings: bright off, deep off, jazz, Treble at 8, Mid and Bass at 5, OD at 5, ratio 5, Master at 2.5, Presence at 8, Volume 5. Overdrive on, PAB off. Guitar: Strat w/Lindy Fralin Hot Vintage pickups , and a very fat warmoth neck, Brazilian Rosewood board.

That said , I can get a very similar clean tone (Glassy, but full?) with my '66 Super Reverb.

I love the Robben Ford tone, but I really don't have the playing style to exploit it. I am starting to think that it is unfortunate that the the  OTS' main claim to fame is for the RF/LC tone.  I use the OTS to play in a Blues/Rock&Roll oriented band (SRV, Susan Tedeschi, Tommy Castro, Johnny Lang, etc.) and I have to adjust my tone frequently to be appropriate for the song being played and I have no problem finding those tones with the OTS.

The "tinny" sound you are referring  to (I think of it as grainy) comes when you have the Bright on and in Rock mode. I think it sounds better in real life than on the YouTube recordings.

The OTS has a lot of features and it takes some time to find all the tones you can get out of it. All my experiences with Two Rock have been over the computer so my opinion does not count much, but I can't hear what makes it worth the $$$$$ they are asking. I do have 1st hand experience with the Fuchs ODS. It sounds great, but the OTS is a little better for a 3rd of the price.   

Sorry, I am not equipped to upload sound samples, but it is a goal of mine (if somebody does not beat me to it) to upload some samples with tones of the OTS that have not been demonstrated yet.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2008, 11:31:08 PM »
Thanks mate awesome response!

i agree with pretty much everything you said, especially this part

"I am starting to think that it is unfortunate that the the  OTS' main claim to fame is for the RF/LC tone."

I think i just wanted to hear some other styles being displayed, and i do understand that computer mics play a big part in changing sounds Sad

i suppose its because the original dumble circuit was based on an old fender, but ive only really seen one OTS video that tries to replicate that clean bluesy fender sound that apparently this amp can get....



look forward to seeing those clips once you figure out how to do it though  Grin

if you do manage to figure it out however, id love it if you could do a little bit of SRV - Lenny  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2008, 08:57:51 AM »
Hi John, are you the same johne that I've seen on the Matt Schofield forum?

Quote from: JohnE on June 08, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
3rd: I believe that I am getting that tone from my OTS with the following settings: bright off, deep off, jazz, Treble at 8, Mid and Bass at 5, OD at 5, ratio 5, Master at 2.5, Presence at 8, Volume 5. Overdrive on, PAB off. Guitar: Strat w/Lindy Fralin Hot Vintage pickups , and a very fat warmoth neck, Brazilian Rosewood board.

A man after my own heart. VH Fralins and a fat Warmoth neck. I've got a Superwide with a fat back, ebony board and SS frets. Love it but no one else likes it, they've got small hands I guess.

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 06:51:30 PM »
Yes, I am a big Matt Schofield fan. He is not generally known in the the states. I get funny looks when I identify him as an influence.

It seems that few people realize how much the neck influences the tone of a guitar. My strat orginally had a modern Fender thin C neck on it. I could barely play the thing. That Warmoth neck doubled the resonance of the guitar. I keep it tuned to E flat with 11-52's.  I have never heard a better strat tone and have not found anyone who would dispute that. And you are right about no body else liking that thick if a neck, but it is shock to those who are used to those weeny thin c necks.

I also have a MIM telecaster body with a Warmoth boatneck and a Dimarzio Twang King bridge p.u. and an Air Classic HB neck pickup (wired to allow split coils). The tone pots are removed and I just use a 4 -way rotary switch to select the pickup configuration (including the coil split). Any time I am playing that guitar around another guitar player or anyone knowledgeable about guitar tone I get asked about it. The big neck is the key!
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2008, 06:54:57 PM »
+ one more for them big necks!!!
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2008, 07:51:55 PM »
Maybe we should challenge John Mayer to have his two rock sound like the Ceriatone OTS?   Undecided
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2008, 08:42:29 PM »
LOL

so how did you like the soccer Marin?
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2008, 02:26:40 PM »
I'm a Mayer fan, and I will receive my Overtone in one or two week (unfortunately the footswitch are out of stock so i didn't receive my overtone yet).

If I find something to record my amp I will post some samples with some Mayer's riff.
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2008, 06:49:03 PM »
Quote from: Steven_nl on June 11, 2008, 08:42:29 PM
LOL

so how did you like the soccer Marin?
 Grin

hey, I'm not too keen on sports, in particular football. I can't wait until its all over. Smiley


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