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Title: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 08, 2008, 08:50:19 AM
Hi guys,

no offense, i think everyone that has posted a clip has hit some great tone, and are all good players.  But to be honest i think they all kind of lean around the same sort of tone and no one has really showed the versatility that this amp is supposed to have...

whilst the distorted tones of this amp have been thrown around greatly in here, i am yet to hear an attempt at a mellow "make your heart melt" tone...

so, considering this is a competitor of the two-rocks/fuchs/etc.. i was wondering if anyone who owns an amp could please try to replicate this, from a two-rock signature:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSM3FL7zUdw

if that sort of tone can even be approached on this OTS, then i think we would all gain a much greater appreciation of the versatility of sounds this amp can reproduce.

i only say this because although the carlton/ford tones are sweet, i would like to see if you can hit more traditional bluesy tones...

ps i think if that clean sound above was matched with a slight boost from an ibaneztube screamer it would just about be heaven from a speaker :P

cheers guys :) (and im sorry i dont mean to sound like a troll!)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Gridlock on June 08, 2008, 10:01:44 AM
john mayer...fuck thats a beautiful riff.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Steven_nl on June 08, 2008, 10:32:33 AM
Tone isn't only in the amp
but if you listen to these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrDeBx4IAhI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsYVWJB-2ZY

you get a general idea (hope you don't mind Andy and Marin)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 08, 2008, 10:48:30 AM
gridlock: yeh that riff in particular is pretty nice!

steven: true tone isnt all in the amp, but knowing what sort of ballpark you can get yourself into is handy when you cant go into a store and play it for yourself :P

i like those clips have seen them before, but in comparison id have to say the OTS cleans i've heard sound good and clear but just slightly too "tinny" or a bit too thin...by that i mean there isnt a lot of low down resonance and nice bass to complement the shimmering highs, but im not sure if thats the way they have set the tone controls up or if thats because you simply cant achieve it, which is why ive set the challenge LOL

i say this all comparitively to the TR sound above however, on its own of course it still sounds awesome!


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Dumbleseeker on June 08, 2008, 09:36:58 PM
I am still waiting for my OTS to arrive-So I can not comment on the cleans. However, there are some other great clips of the clean tones on You Tube. In addition, the TR is $4500-$5000  :o and the OTS is $1350 delivered  ;D. I will take my chances  ;)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Steven_nl on June 08, 2008, 10:14:36 PM
plus: speakers play an important role as well!


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: JohnE on June 08, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
gridlock: yeh that riff in particular is pretty nice!

steven: true tone isnt all in the amp, but knowing what sort of ballpark you can get yourself into is handy when you cant go into a store and play it for yourself :P

i like those clips have seen them before, but in comparison id have to say the OTS cleans i've heard sound good and clear but just slightly too "tinny" or a bit too thin...by that i mean there isnt a lot of low down resonance and nice bass to complement the shimmering highs, but im not sure if thats the way they have set the tone controls up or if thats because you simply cant achieve it, which is why ive set the challenge LOL

i say this all comparitively to the TR sound above however, on its own of course it still sounds awesome!
Cadsy48,
I am not sure if your question can be answered convincingly, but I'll throw my two cents in here.
1st: A YouTube recording is a facsimile of the real tone, so you are only getting an idea of what it sounds like in person.
2nd: 90% of what you are hearing in that sample is coming out of J.M.'s fingers and would sound very similar on any amp with a high quality clean tone.
3rd: I believe that I am getting that tone from my OTS with the following settings: bright off, deep off, jazz, Treble at 8, Mid and Bass at 5, OD at 5, ratio 5, Master at 2.5, Presence at 8, Volume 5. Overdrive on, PAB off. Guitar: Strat w/Lindy Fralin Hot Vintage pickups , and a very fat warmoth neck, Brazilian Rosewood board.

That said , I can get a very similar clean tone (Glassy, but full?) with my '66 Super Reverb.

I love the Robben Ford tone, but I really don't have the playing style to exploit it. I am starting to think that it is unfortunate that the the  OTS' main claim to fame is for the RF/LC tone.  I use the OTS to play in a Blues/Rock&Roll oriented band (SRV, Susan Tedeschi, Tommy Castro, Johnny Lang, etc.) and I have to adjust my tone frequently to be appropriate for the song being played and I have no problem finding those tones with the OTS.

The "tinny" sound you are referring  to (I think of it as grainy) comes when you have the Bright on and in Rock mode. I think it sounds better in real life than on the YouTube recordings.

The OTS has a lot of features and it takes some time to find all the tones you can get out of it. All my experiences with Two Rock have been over the computer so my opinion does not count much, but I can't hear what makes it worth the $$$$$ they are asking. I do have 1st hand experience with the Fuchs ODS. It sounds great, but the OTS is a little better for a 3rd of the price.   

Sorry, I am not equipped to upload sound samples, but it is a goal of mine (if somebody does not beat me to it) to upload some samples with tones of the OTS that have not been demonstrated yet.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 08, 2008, 11:31:08 PM
Thanks mate awesome response!

i agree with pretty much everything you said, especially this part

"I am starting to think that it is unfortunate that the the  OTS' main claim to fame is for the RF/LC tone."

I think i just wanted to hear some other styles being displayed, and i do understand that computer mics play a big part in changing sounds :(

i suppose its because the original dumble circuit was based on an old fender, but ive only really seen one OTS video that tries to replicate that clean bluesy fender sound that apparently this amp can get....



look forward to seeing those clips once you figure out how to do it though  ;D

if you do manage to figure it out however, id love it if you could do a little bit of SRV - Lenny  ;)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: hywelg on June 09, 2008, 08:57:51 AM
Hi John, are you the same johne that I've seen on the Matt Schofield forum?

3rd: I believe that I am getting that tone from my OTS with the following settings: bright off, deep off, jazz, Treble at 8, Mid and Bass at 5, OD at 5, ratio 5, Master at 2.5, Presence at 8, Volume 5. Overdrive on, PAB off. Guitar: Strat w/Lindy Fralin Hot Vintage pickups , and a very fat warmoth neck, Brazilian Rosewood board.

A man after my own heart. VH Fralins and a fat Warmoth neck. I've got a Superwide with a fat back, ebony board and SS frets. Love it but no one else likes it, they've got small hands I guess.



Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: JohnE on June 11, 2008, 06:51:30 PM
Yes, I am a big Matt Schofield fan. He is not generally known in the the states. I get funny looks when I identify him as an influence.

It seems that few people realize how much the neck influences the tone of a guitar. My strat orginally had a modern Fender thin C neck on it. I could barely play the thing. That Warmoth neck doubled the resonance of the guitar. I keep it tuned to E flat with 11-52's.  I have never heard a better strat tone and have not found anyone who would dispute that. And you are right about no body else liking that thick if a neck, but it is shock to those who are used to those weeny thin c necks.

I also have a MIM telecaster body with a Warmoth boatneck and a Dimarzio Twang King bridge p.u. and an Air Classic HB neck pickup (wired to allow split coils). The tone pots are removed and I just use a 4 -way rotary switch to select the pickup configuration (including the coil split). Any time I am playing that guitar around another guitar player or anyone knowledgeable about guitar tone I get asked about it. The big neck is the key!


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: poipounder57 on June 11, 2008, 06:54:57 PM
+ one more for them big necks!!!


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 11, 2008, 07:51:55 PM
Maybe we should challenge John Mayer to have his two rock sound like the Ceriatone OTS?   :-\


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Steven_nl on June 11, 2008, 08:42:29 PM
LOL

so how did you like the soccer Marin?
 ;D


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Nathan on June 13, 2008, 02:26:40 PM
I'm a Mayer fan, and I will receive my Overtone in one or two week (unfortunately the footswitch are out of stock so i didn't receive my overtone yet).

If I find something to record my amp I will post some samples with some Mayer's riff.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 13, 2008, 06:49:03 PM
LOL

so how did you like the soccer Marin?
 ;D

hey, I'm not too keen on sports, in particular football. I can't wait until its all over. :)


M.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Steven_nl on June 13, 2008, 09:54:21 PM
I guess you understand I'm quite happy at the moment. My amp will be shipped around now and we're winning ;-)
 :chairdance:


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: nickm57 on June 14, 2008, 01:27:41 AM
I think the Idea that dumbles are Larry Carlton, Robben Ford sounds is a bit misleading.
Think David Lindley, Lowell George and we would be dealing with a different pallet of this type of amp. SRV uses allot of different amps  and combinations of many together.When you hear his Dumble the high end  in the sound is different to his fendery "Lenny" tone.
Nick


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: JohnE on June 14, 2008, 03:08:20 PM
I'm a Mayer fan, and I will receive my Overtone in one or two week (unfortunately the footswitch are out of stock so i didn't receive my overtone yet).

If I find something to record my amp I will post some samples with some Mayer's riff.

Nathan,
I have an extra footswitch. The one provided with my OTS had a 2m cable which is too short for a stage set up. I was able to get one from CeriaTone with a 5m cable. I only paid a dollar for it, so I am happy to send the original to you for the shipping cost. You could let Nik know that you have one, then. Let me know if you are interested and we can work out the details.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Mitch on June 14, 2008, 04:35:18 PM
Yes, I am a big Matt Schofield fan. He is not generally known in the the states. I get funny looks when I identify him as an influence.

It seems that few people realize how much the neck influences the tone of a guitar. My strat orginally had a modern Fender thin C neck on it. I could barely play the thing. That Warmoth neck doubled the resonance of the guitar. I keep it tuned to E flat with 11-52's.  I have never heard a better strat tone and have not found anyone who would dispute that. And you are right about no body else liking that thick if a neck, but it is shock to those who are used to those weeny thin c necks.

I also have a MIM telecaster body with a Warmoth boatneck and a Dimarzio Twang King bridge p.u. and an Air Classic HB neck pickup (wired to allow split coils). The tone pots are removed and I just use a 4 -way rotary switch to select the pickup configuration (including the coil split). Any time I am playing that guitar around another guitar player or anyone knowledgeable about guitar tone I get asked about it. The big neck is the key!

Cool you like Matt too- I know Matt fairly well & I often saw him play locally before he hit the international stages.  The point I want to make is that one night Matt sat in with my band & I had a chance to hear my rig from the audience's point of view- even though he was playing my rather average '57 re-issue strat & my old Marshall Superlead/4x12 he sounded EXACTLY like himself- it really is all in the fingers, and made me sound very average! ;-) I have personally found the OT an amazing amp- case in point- at the gig last night I discovered to my horror that I'd left the footswitch at home- so I simply dialed in a semi-distorted tone & used the volume/pup selector on my Les Paul to  switch between clean& lead tones just like guitarists used to back in the day - sounded great!  The basic tone of this amp is incredible- the rest is for you discover from your guitar technique imho.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Nathan on June 14, 2008, 04:45:38 PM
JohnE,

It's very very nice but I'm living in france, and I think the shipping cost will be a little bit important for a footswitch ! Anyway thanks it's very nice.

I will receive my Overtone in one week or two, for now, it's nothing compared to the 9 weeks passed !

I promise, I will make some mayerish sample.



Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 15, 2008, 06:09:39 AM
nathan, that would be great!

im envious that you have such a fine piece of gear so close to arriving haha


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: JohnE on June 16, 2008, 01:56:40 AM
JohnE,

It's very very nice but I'm living in france, and I think the shipping cost will be a little bit important for a footswitch ! Anyway thanks it's very nice.

I will receive my Overtone in one week or two, for now, it's nothing compared to the 9 weeks passed !

I promise, I will make some mayerish sample.

 



Sorry Nathan, vous avez raison. You could probably build your own foot switch cheaper than the postage from Western USA. I have very fond memories of Nice, Cannes, Toulon, Marseilles, St. Tropez, and St. Rafael/Frejus! I'll look forward to hearing your Mayerisms.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: JohnE on June 16, 2008, 02:19:49 AM
Yes, I am a big Matt Schofield fan. He is not generally known in the the states. I get funny looks when I identify him as an influence.

It seems that few people realize how much the neck influences the tone of a guitar. My strat orginally had a modern Fender thin C neck on it. I could barely play the thing. That Warmoth neck doubled the resonance of the guitar. I keep it tuned to E flat with 11-52's.  I have never heard a better strat tone and have not found anyone who would dispute that. And you are right about no body else liking that thick if a neck, but it is shock to those who are used to those weeny thin c necks.

I also have a MIM telecaster body with a Warmoth boatneck and a Dimarzio Twang King bridge p.u. and an Air Classic HB neck pickup (wired to allow split coils). The tone pots are removed and I just use a 4 -way rotary switch to select the pickup configuration (including the coil split). Any time I am playing that guitar around another guitar player or anyone knowledgeable about guitar tone I get asked about it. The big neck is the key!

Cool you like Matt too- I know Matt fairly well & I often saw him play locally before he hit the international stages.  The point I want to make is that one night Matt sat in with my band & I had a chance to hear my rig from the audience's point of view- even though he was playing my rather average '57 re-issue strat & my old Marshall Superlead/4x12 he sounded EXACTLY like himself- it really is all in the fingers, and made me sound very average! ;-) I have personally found the OT an amazing amp- case in point- at the gig last night I discovered to my horror that I'd left the footswitch at home- so I simply dialed in a semi-distorted tone & used the volume/pup selector on my Les Paul to  switch between clean& lead tones just like guitarists used to back in the day - sounded great!  The basic tone of this amp is incredible- the rest is for you discover from your guitar technique imho.
You are spot on about it in being in the fingers. I have played at numerous outdoor festivals and multi band events where the backline was provided by the sponsor. Usually modern Twin or Super Reverb reissues and even Deluxe Reverbs in smaller venues. I have seen many well known guitarists (for blues fans, anyway) play through the same amp over the course of an event and they all sounded like themselves. It is fun to follow that quest for better tone, but mastering your technique is far more important.  We guitarists fuss over what gear and what mods make us sound best, but everybody else just cares how you play. What a treat to get to know Matt Schofield, and see him play frequently! Thanks for your astute observation. We would all do well to keep it in mind.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Tompski on June 17, 2008, 09:45:50 AM
Hi guys,

no offense, i think everyone that has posted a clip has hit some great tone, and are all good players.  But to be honest i think they all kind of lean around the same sort of tone and no one has really showed the versatility that this amp is supposed to have...

whilst the distorted tones of this amp have been thrown around greatly in here, i am yet to hear an attempt at a mellow "make your heart melt" tone...

so, considering this is a competitor of the two-rocks/fuchs/etc.. i was wondering if anyone who owns an amp could please try to replicate this, from a two-rock signature:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSM3FL7zUdw

if that sort of tone can even be approached on this OTS, then i think we would all gain a much greater appreciation of the versatility of sounds this amp can reproduce.

i only say this because although the carlton/ford tones are sweet, i would like to see if you can hit more traditional bluesy tones...

ps i think if that clean sound above was matched with a slight boost from an ibaneztube screamer it would just about be heaven from a speaker :P

cheers guys :) (and im sorry i dont mean to sound like a troll!)


Thats odd I was just about to post something that said exactly that, I am very tempted to buy one of these amps as they sound as if they should be amazing but all the sound clips or vids I've seen or heard I find quite sterile, and they are all noodling solo stuff! can someone out there give us some nice warm and earthy hendrix A bit of castles made of sand perhaps or  nice warm blues rythm, and you're right everone seems to be dialling in the same tone, I find it a little spiky considering this amp is supposed to be modelled on Blackface Fender type amps, so come on guys give us some lush warmth and maybe even a  chord or two perhaps and lastly some very different examples of what is tonally possible with the amps switching and eq.

cheers

T 8)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: AdrianJ on June 17, 2008, 10:16:24 AM
Hi guys,

no offense, i think everyone that has posted a clip has hit some great tone, and are all good players.  But to be honest i think they all kind of lean around the same sort of tone and no one has really showed the versatility that this amp is supposed to have...

whilst the distorted tones of this amp have been thrown around greatly in here, i am yet to hear an attempt at a mellow "make your heart melt" tone...

so, considering this is a competitor of the two-rocks/fuchs/etc.. i was wondering if anyone who owns an amp could please try to replicate this, from a two-rock signature:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSM3FL7zUdw

if that sort of tone can even be approached on this OTS, then i think we would all gain a much greater appreciation of the versatility of sounds this amp can reproduce.

i only say this because although the carlton/ford tones are sweet, i would like to see if you can hit more traditional bluesy tones...

ps i think if that clean sound above was matched with a slight boost from an ibaneztube screamer it would just about be heaven from a speaker :P

cheers guys :) (and im sorry i dont mean to sound like a troll!)


Thats odd I was just about to post something that said exactly that, I am very tempted to buy one of these amps as they sound as if they should be amazing but all the sound clips or vids I've seen or heard I find quite sterile, and they are all noodling solo stuff! can someone out there give us some nice warm and earthy hendrix A bit of castles made of sand perhaps or  nice warm blues rythm, and you're right everone seems to be dialling in the same tone, I find it a little spiky considering this amp is supposed to be modelled on Blackface Fender type amps, so come on guys give us some lush warmth and maybe even a  chord or two perhaps and lastly some very different examples of what is tonally possible with the amps switching and eq.

cheers

T 8)

Chords..??

Blasphemer..!! ;-)

Actually I'm very much in the "let's hear something different from the OTS camp"...


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 17, 2008, 01:11:19 PM
cool so its not just me then!

its just that for something thats supposed to be based on a fender circuit, i havent really seen any attempt at a nice fender bluesy tone!


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: AdrianJ on June 17, 2008, 01:16:09 PM
cool so its not just me then!

its just that for something thats supposed to be based on a fender circuit, i havent really seen any attempt at a nice fender bluesy tone!

Totally agree, in the email discussions I've had with Nik he's told me that it will do good Blackface or Tweed type Fender tones, but I've yet to hear any demos of them.

Actually I take that back, there is (make that was - can't find it now, hopefully someone on here will have it) one demo out there on Youtube of someone doing the outro from Layla and they do get a good Fender-type sound from the amp...


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 18, 2008, 12:51:41 PM
this is the closest ive heard to getting the sort of sounds im talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHyWn_O-ag

there are moments of some REALLY nice blues tones in there...



EDIT: AHH! go to 4:30, thats what im talking about, hardly any clips show off that sort of sound, now the question is it that the amp or the geek-screamer pedal haha


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: jzucker on June 18, 2008, 08:41:12 PM
who says the amp is so versatile? It gets a wide range of tones but they all sound like a dumble. I think it can get a wide range of tones from jazz to blues to rock to fusion. That's pretty versatile and I've posted a wide range of clips but you probably didn't take the time to check them out. Easier to issue a challenge. :D

How versatile is a '65 Fender Twin or JTM-45?


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 18, 2008, 08:50:50 PM
Hey Jack,

judging by the opening thead, it appears that "versatile" means "can do a Two-Rock tone" ( the clean, Mayer one and you need to wear a funny skiing hat.)  ;D



M.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 18, 2008, 10:43:29 PM
no it means can it do something else other than jazz noodling, which is 99.999% of what ive seen of this amp..

that two rock video just happened to be a video on youtube of an amp that is supposed to sound quite similar to the OTS, but displayed a completely different angle on the amps usage...


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Dumbleseeker on June 18, 2008, 11:47:02 PM
You should listen to spm72 on You Tube. His clip for the Certiatone Overtone Special Clean Test is the closest thing I have heard to the Two Rock Mayer sound. Maybe someone can upload it -It is killer!!!!   :chairdance:


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 19, 2008, 09:43:01 AM
no it means can it do something else other than jazz noodling, which is 99.999% of what ive seen of this amp..

that two rock video just happened to be a video on youtube of an amp that is supposed to sound quite similar to the OTS, but displayed a completely different angle on the amps usage...

You still haven't explained why you believe the Overtone is not versatile.

Versatility is an relative term and needs to be referenced. Your only argument for the Overtone's non-versatility is  "Hey, it can't do one particular tone which another clone can".

Just for the sake of the discussion,  for all we know, the amp you are referencing  may be able to do only that one tone.

Does this make the Overtone less versatile? I don't think so, and above all - it is less versatile compared to what???

It's like saying that an apple doesn't taste good because it doesn't taste like an orange.

As Jack said before, there are tons of clips of the Overtone around which IMHO support the "versatility" of the Overtone.

Then again, as I mentioned before, "versatility" is a relative term, and albeit all the different samples, the Overtone will never be versatile enough to some.


M.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Nathan on June 19, 2008, 10:44:49 AM
You should listen to spm72 on You Tube. His clip for the Certiatone Overtone Special Clean Test is the closest thing I have heard to the Two Rock Mayer sound. Maybe someone can upload it -It is killer!!!!   :chairdance:

I promise I will make some sample after I'll receive my Overtone (Nik told me that it should be sent next week).

I also buy the Overtone with the wish that he could make some great blackface or "Two-Rock" cleans sounds.

The samples which convince me to buy the overtone were the SPM's ones (who shows different side of that amp !) and a sample called "Arizona" from a "Thegearpage"'s guy who have a great clean tone.

I hope I did the right choice.

For now I'm trying to find the right speaker choice, for instance I have an old 4x12 Marshall cabinet loaded with old G12-65 but I will sell it soon.

I'm thinking right now for a G1265 RI with a Jensen NeoSpeaker in a 2x12 Open back but, I can't test theses speaker, It's quite difficult to know how they will sound like with the Overtone.



Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 19, 2008, 10:58:10 AM
versatility in this amp for me means that not only does it display dumble characteristics, it also displays fender characteristics, which it should, because all D-style amps were based on the circuitry.

I have heard other dumble clones sound either like a dumble when they get overdriven or deep and warm like a fender, because it basically is a modded extension of a fender amp.

I have seen one good clip detailing this, a couple that come close, and many that just showcase the 'dumble' side of the amp...

i am pretty damn sure the amp can do the other part, which is why i want to hear some more examples of just that....



Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: casken on June 19, 2008, 03:38:56 PM
no it means can it do something else other than jazz noodling, which is 99.999% of what ive seen of this amp..

that two rock video just happened to be a video on youtube of an amp that is supposed to sound quite similar to the OTS, but displayed a completely different angle on the amps usage...

I am still waiting on my overtone but am quite familiar with Fender Amps.  In all I have owned six.  All but one was a tube amp.  Currently I have a Fender Concert 1x12 that has been with me for quite some time. 

A few observations and comments, much of which has been already spoken of in various places.  A lot of the richness of the two rocks clip comes from Mayer.  There are dynamics in his approach and timing that are typically him and well done, but the tone itself can be approached from many good Fenderish amps.  My concert that I paid three or four hundred bucks for (used) about 10 years ago will get very close to that with a Fulldrive 2, a strat (kinman AVN blues in the neck and middle) and the tone rolled back to taste.  THe missing ingredient is that I am not Mayer!

So much of the tone is in the hands.  As an example the absolute best version of an SRV song (other than SRV himself) I have ever heard was by a friend of mine, who is a blues phenom.  We jammed one day and he was playing through a small Fender SS amp with a stock strat and tubescreamer.  I would have never thought you could coax that sound out of that gerber baby amp.  He did.

Also there are a great many more clips on youtube than jazz noodling.  Very nice players too.  Great tones a plenty.  I do look forward to getting my amp but from what I have heard and my experience with Fenderish tones, they'll will get you lots of places but have their limitations as do all...I don't imagine the tone in that Mayer clip is out of reach because I can come pretty darn close with what I have now.

I would like to see some varying styles as well.  Perhaps as the amp useage gets more widespread we will.  That being said I am very grateful to the really fine players who took the time to post many of the clips that are up.  Spm72 and Marin sold me the day I stumbled on to the clips.

I chose to make a different speaker cab choice (other than the G1265s) based upon my quest to include that strat vibe that is Fendery...we'll see if I did the right thing because I still want what I have heard from others as well.

Someone has already said in this thread or another that "the best thing we can all do to improve our tone (and I would insert versatility) is to work on being better players".  My equipment is already better than I am and I imagine the Overtone will simply widen that gap... ;D

Regards,
Casken


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: erwin_ve on June 19, 2008, 06:18:50 PM

 I believe that I am getting that tone from my OTS with the following settings: bright off, deep off, jazz, Treble at 8, Mid and Bass at 5, OD at 5, ratio 5, Master at 2.5, Presence at 8, Volume 5. Overdrive on, PAB off. Guitar: Strat w/Lindy Fralin Hot Vintage pickups , and a very fat warmoth neck, Brazilian Rosewood board.

Hi John, I read your post on this tone setting. I also have a strat with the same Fralins.
I don't know if you modded your amp(I did), but with this setting you posted it was way too bright for me. (I have G12-65 cabs)
However the bass in jazz mode is really more open and much better for the SRV /JM and Matt Schofield tone than in Rock mode. So I flipped the deep switch on(Mid boost) and dialing in less treble and presence and it was doing the trick for me. Really cool useable SRV/JM Schofield tones with this setting!
Thnx for posting! Really liked some other input and thoughts for tone...


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 19, 2008, 11:32:48 PM
ahh ok everyone, forget i posted that mayer clip

i dont want to be him, and i know that alot of tone is in the playing, i am NOT ASKING "if i buy the OTS, will i sound like mayer"

what i was doing was demonstrating a different side to an amp that is supposed to be similar, that is all, and then asked if the OTS could achieve this different side as well.

ive heard a few clips that do ok, one that does quite well, i just wanted to get a better idea, thats all


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Tompski on June 20, 2008, 07:38:03 AM
no it means can it do something else other than jazz noodling, which is 99.999% of what ive seen of this amp..

that two rock video just happened to be a video on youtube of an amp that is supposed to sound quite similar to the OTS, but displayed a completely different angle on the amps usage...

You still haven't explained why you believe the Overtone is not versatile.

Versatility is an relative term and needs to be referenced. Your only argument for the Overtone's non-versatility is  "Hey, it can't do one particular tone which another clone can".

Just for the sake of the discussion,  for all we know, the amp you are referencing  may be able to do only that one tone.

Does this make the Overtone less versatile? I don't think so, and above all - it is less versatile compared to what???

It's like saying that an apple doesn't taste good because it doesn't taste like an orange.

As Jack said before, there are tons of clips of the Overtone around which IMHO support the "versatility" of the Overtone.

Then again, as I mentioned before, "versatility" is a relative term, and albeit all the different samples, the Overtone will never be versatile enough to some.


M.

Now Marin you seem to be possibly verging on the defensive side with your apples and oranges.

I think the amp sounds fantastic! what me and others are trying to acheive is knowledge that aside from the sounds and tones we have so far heard that it is also capable of the warm fender tone as for me that would be an essential colour in my pallette, you are indeed right in saying that most of the fenders only do that sound which is precisely why I'm not going to buy the Fender Vibrolux custom reverb I played recently  because although it has the most lusheous and warm clean tone I've heard it does not offer other styles very well and breaks up way too early, and is also another £300, so its not by way of critisism that we hound you all it's passionate curiosity and a necessity to know whether or not this amp can truely deliver that particular sound on top of the other great sounds that it has to offer or not, because if it can then i'll put my money where my mouth is and buy one, and please don't take this the wrong way but whover said earlier that most of the postings are 99.9% jazz rock noodlings is right , I would really like to hear rythm blues chords played in the neck pickup position in contrast to all the top end lead stuff,
over and out
T 8)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: hywelg on June 20, 2008, 08:15:50 AM

 I believe that I am getting that tone from my OTS with the following settings: bright off, deep off, jazz, Treble at 8, Mid and Bass at 5, OD at 5, ratio 5, Master at 2.5, Presence at 8, Volume 5. Overdrive on, PAB off. Guitar: Strat w/Lindy Fralin Hot Vintage pickups , and a very fat warmoth neck, Brazilian Rosewood board.

Hi John, I read your post on this tone setting. I also have a strat with the same Fralins.
I don't know if you modded your amp(I did), but with this setting you posted it was way too bright for me. (I have G12-65 cabs)
However the bass in jazz mode is really more open and much better for the SRV /JM and Matt Schofield tone than in Rock mode. So I flipped the deep switch on(Mid boost) and dialing in less treble and presence and it was doing the trick for me. Really cool useable SRV/JM Schofield tones with this setting!
Thnx for posting! Really liked some other input and thoughts for tone...

Now I'm beginning to wonder if there are two different OTS versions out there!! I run with settings very similar to JohnE and don't find it overly bright. (Jensen p10R 4x10) I also have had a long conversation with Nik centreing around the fact that the presence control does very little on my amp so that I have to have it between 8 and10. All this is contrary to all the postings that others have made where they have noted their settings and especially treble and presence rarely go above 5. Now I thought the g12-65 was a not especially bright speaker, but maybe it is compared to my P10R's. I've got an EVM-12L on order since the concensus seemed to be that was the better choice so maybe i'll get different tone when its installed.

I have done the mods btw, but I think they are mostly to smooth out the treble on the OD and I'm talking about the clean channel here. I have to say I don't think my OTS has the same high mid content that I hear from a TR.



Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 20, 2008, 10:26:42 AM

Now Marin you seem to be possibly verging on the defensive side with your apples and oranges.

I feel that I need to express my opinion which is that it is not necessary to replicate a "two rock / mayer" tone for any amp to be versatile. That line of thought is biased, to say the least.

If the object of the challenge was "lets see if the Overtone can hit that Two Rock and  if any of you guys can play like Mayer at the same time" -  I wouldn't have any objection.

What I object to is that the opening thread doubts the versatility of an Overtone because it might not just hit "that" two rock tone, when there are hundreds of different Overtone samples on the web. This is biased and malicious.

To explain better what I mean: is Two Rock versatile? Can it hit a particular Overtone tone? If it can't, is it less of a versatile amp?

I don't think so, and the same applies to the Overtone.

For the record, I have been strumming now and I think I can get close to "that" tone, but I can't play like Mayer (yet ;) ).


M.

P.S. If everyone want a Fender tone, why not try to get a Fender sample instead of a Two Rock one? I think that that would be harder.






Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Tompski on June 20, 2008, 10:41:03 AM
P.S. If everyone want a Fender tone, why not try to get a Fender sample instead of a Two Rock one? I think that that would be harder.


Well maybe you could give it a go Marin I'm sure you got the chops for a little hendrix chording or just jamming out some nice deep rythm perhaps, then maybe we can put an end to this thread, two rock / fender in that particular example they're in the same ball park for the tone we're talking about. 8)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 20, 2008, 11:02:38 AM
P.S. If everyone want a Fender tone, why not try to get a Fender sample instead of a Two Rock one? I think that that would be harder.


Well maybe you could give it a go Marin I'm sure you got the chops for a little hendrix chording or just jamming out some nice deep rythm perhaps, then maybe we can put an end to this thread, two rock / fender in that particular example they're in the same ball park for the tone we're talking about. 8)


Dunno if want to get into this pissing contest, it started off bad.

In any case, didn't Hendrix play Marshall's.......

M.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Tompski on June 20, 2008, 11:07:34 AM
 He also played many a Fender when recording,

Its not a pissing contest I was merely being playful, for me as I said before I just want to know if I'm gonna buy one or not period, so this is research.

Peace


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 20, 2008, 03:00:14 PM


What I object to is that the opening thread doubts the versatility of an Overtone because it might not just hit "that" two rock tone, when there are hundreds of different Overtone samples on the web. This is biased and malicious.


CRAP! i never doubted the versatility of the overtone, i simply said there were few clips displaying a different side!  there was nothing malicious about my initial post, it only became malicious once you began vehemently defending the amp that i WASNT attacking.  im not knocking the amp, and im not knocking the tone anyone has produced.  and for you to say its malicious is complete rubbish, i did it with the best polite intentions

firstly, i didnt say it had to hit THAT two rock tone, i said i wanted to hear that more bluesy side of the amp which ive said numerous times throughout the thread just in case my first post wasnt clear enough

secondly, out of the "hundreds" of clips of the overtone, 99 of them are you doing the same jazz noodling and two or three give something slightly different, so you know what? if im going to dish a grand or more on an amp i cant try out in a store, i have every right to request some nice person to try and show me a differnet  side of the amp, end of story, if that pisses you off, then dont bother with the thread


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 20, 2008, 03:14:00 PM


CRAP! i never doubted the versatility of the overtone,

You didn't write this either?

Hi guys,

no offense, i think everyone that has posted a clip has hit some great tone, and are all good players.  But to be honest i think they all kind of lean around the same sort of tone and no one has really showed the versatility that this amp is supposed to have...

or this?

Quote
so, considering this is a competitor of the two-rocks/fuchs/etc.. i was wondering if anyone who owns an amp could please try to replicate this, from a two-rock signature:

(Clip)

if that sort of tone can even be approached on this OTS, then i think we would all gain a much greater appreciation of the versatility of sounds this amp can reproduce.

and in the end this:

Quote
(and im sorry i dont mean to sound like a troll!)


 ???


M.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: erwin_ve on June 20, 2008, 03:23:03 PM
Cadsy48:
Maybe it is more wise to contact a overtone owner in your country. I never bought a amp without testing it.  Before I bought it, I contacted  a owner if he was willingly to let me test it. Fortunatly he was, so I drove few hundred kilometers to conclude it was my thing.

Mondoslug has a clip which fully demonstrates the potential of the blues side of this amp. Clean and overdrive bluesy. If you then still have serious doubts about the tone it can produce, don't buy it.   


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Steven_nl on June 20, 2008, 06:10:34 PM
This is beginning to sound like TGP  :(


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 20, 2008, 10:33:05 PM


CRAP! i never doubted the versatility of the overtone,

You didn't write this either?

Hi guys,

no offense, i think everyone that has posted a clip has hit some great tone, and are all good players.  But to be honest i think they all kind of lean around the same sort of tone and no one has really showed the versatility that this amp is supposed to have...

or this?

Quote
so, considering this is a competitor of the two-rocks/fuchs/etc.. i was wondering if anyone who owns an amp could please try to replicate this, from a two-rock signature:

(Clip)

if that sort of tone can even be approached on this OTS, then i think we would all gain a much greater appreciation of the versatility of sounds this amp can reproduce.

and in the end this:

Quote
(and im sorry i dont mean to sound like a troll!)


 ???


M.

they don't question the versatility of the amp, they question the versatility of the videos posted. there is a difference


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 20, 2008, 10:36:11 PM
And guys I didn't want this thread to turn into a slinging match any more than all of you, but when my motives are called biased and malicious im not just going to sit there and cop it, because its really not what I'm about...

erwin thanks for the suggestions, i will try my best but dont know how successful ill be :P



Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Handonam on June 20, 2008, 11:58:14 PM
And guys I didn't want this thread to turn into a slinging match any more than all of you, but when my motives are called biased and malicious im not just going to sit there and cop it, because its really not what I'm about...

erwin thanks for the suggestions, i will try my best but dont know how successful ill be :P



yea, i'm kind of wondering how it would sound through a different kind of playing style too.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: casken on June 21, 2008, 12:03:06 AM
cadsy,
   I really wish I could answer your initial question regarding the Overtone.  I have a few more weeks to wait and I'll be seeking a similar sound among many others.  In listening to that clip, honestly, I found it to be pretty Fenderish with perhaps a bit of extra something on the harmonic end of things...but not much.  I am glad you posted it.  I coped a few licks off of it!  A lot of that tone is present in much of Mayers playing and equipment usage, with or without a two rocks.  I think his pups are wired specifically to his tastes.  I like that tone as well and will try to dial it in when the Overtone gets here.  I hope my different than the majority speaker choice will help that.  I'll let you know if I think I find that ballpark sound with the Overtone.  I imagine it is in there somewhere.

Someone said earlier it'll do basically what a Fender (tube) amp will.  I hope that is correct. That sound was in that Fender ball park to my ears.

If I can't eq that sound in, I'll still be pleased to settle with many of the posted tones.  I like that Dumblish tone and am a big Robben Ford/Larry Carlton fan. That sound, my current Fender amp won't quite do. If I can do that bluesy Mayerish/SRVish tone too...that'll just be gravy.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: guvmuleman on June 21, 2008, 01:48:56 AM
I think that its an amazing amp period. does it make me think of my blackface deluxe? no. Have I played my bf deluxe since I got the ot? nope.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Handonam on June 21, 2008, 02:13:21 AM
does this amp at least emulate what a BF Twin Reverb glassy clean sounds like? :)


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 21, 2008, 04:56:02 AM
jack zucker in my opinion has the only videos that try to show real different sides of the amp


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 21, 2008, 07:43:11 AM

they don't question the versatility of the amp, they question the versatility of the videos posted. there is a difference

Yes, because replicating one specific two-rock tone is the test for versatility...

By the way, the Overtone doesn't do Vox, Soldano or Engl tones either.

I presume the Overtone was meant to be a dumble clone. Like all derivates or original (which, by the way has never been static), it has its own flavour, flaws, positives, negatives, circuit variances and so on.

I am almost certain that it was not meant to be a clone of another clone.

My advice is that you save up 5000$ for a Two Rock, buy a Fender Mayer guitar because it will have the same pickups and begin practising your chops to replicate Mayer's.

Anything else will not be versatile enough for you. No pun intended.


M.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 21, 2008, 08:07:38 AM
Yes, because replicating one specific two-rock tone is the test for versatility...
i find it funny that most others in this thread see my point but you are having trouble understanding.  you either dont understand, which makes you dumb, or you do understand but take issue with it, which makes you a sad individual... which one is it?

By the way, the Overtone doesn't do Vox, Soldano or Engl tones either.

Thats because the dumble wasnt based on vox, soldano or engl circuits. dont be so condescending, it makes you look like a wanker, and we wouldn't want that.

I presume the Overtone was meant to be a dumble clone. Like all derivates or original (which, by the way has never been static), it has its own flavour, flaws, positives, negatives, circuit variances and so on.

I am almost certain that it was not meant to be a clone of another clone.
Me too.

Look, forget i posted that video. get the two rock and mayer out of your head...i dont want to be mayer, i dont even like the guy.

I wanted to know if the OTS can do blues tones, and i used a video of a similar amp to HELP YOU understand where i was coming from, and now you're trying to insult me about it


My advice is that you save up 5000$ for a Two Rock, buy a Fender Mayer guitar because it will have the same pickups and begin practising your chops to replicate Mayer's.

Anything else will not be versatile enough for you. No pun intended.


M.

and my advice is you forget this thread ever existed, you are getting way too defensive about this, and you're coming across as a real dickhead


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: marinblues on June 21, 2008, 08:57:47 AM
If you aren't able to discuss or defend your point, don't offend and go trolling somewhere else.


M.




Yes, because replicating one specific two-rock tone is the test for versatility...
i find it funny that most others in this thread see my point but you are having trouble understanding.  you either dont understand, which makes you dumb, or you do understand but take issue with it, which makes you a sad individual... which one is it?

By the way, the Overtone doesn't do Vox, Soldano or Engl tones either.

Thats because the dumble wasnt based on vox, soldano or engl circuits. dont be so condescending, it makes you look like a wanker, and we wouldn't want that.

I presume the Overtone was meant to be a dumble clone. Like all derivates or original (which, by the way has never been static), it has its own flavour, flaws, positives, negatives, circuit variances and so on.

I am almost certain that it was not meant to be a clone of another clone.
Me too.

Look, forget i posted that video. get the two rock and mayer out of your head...i dont want to be mayer, i dont even like the guy.

I wanted to know if the OTS can do blues tones, and i used a video of a similar amp to HELP YOU understand where i was coming from, and now you're trying to insult me about it


My advice is that you save up 5000$ for a Two Rock, buy a Fender Mayer guitar because it will have the same pickups and begin practising your chops to replicate Mayer's.

Anything else will not be versatile enough for you. No pun intended.


M.

and my advice is you forget this thread ever existed, you are getting way too defensive about this, and you're coming across as a real dickhead


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: Nathan on June 21, 2008, 12:10:36 PM
Un dialogue de sourd.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: cadsy48 on June 21, 2008, 02:15:33 PM
marin,

ive spent 4 pages discussing my point properly and in a civil manner

this was never a trolling excercise, others have agreed with me in this thread and see where im coming from.

the only reason i said offensive things is because that i had already been attacked by you through condescension for no good reason. and i didnt actually say you were those things in my previous post, only that your writing makes you come across like that.

this thread has now hit rock bottom, i wont be posting in it again


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: guvmuleman on June 21, 2008, 05:05:43 PM
not to get in the middle of this one, but letting this thread go sounds like a good idea for this peaceful community. sometimes things go weird. But again about the amp, so far everyone who has played mine has been really impressed. It really seems to bring out the tone of what the player brings to it. I have heard this thing sound so different at similar settings I just shake my head and wonder, but maybe thats the sign of a really good amp, that it just allows you to express what you hear in your brain, and why so many times we all hear that so and so sounds the same regardless of what amp he is playing thru.Like Robben thru a red knob twin.anyway hope you all have a great weekend, its gonna be 110 here in vegas today, so if I am smart I will just be playin my amp all day. cheers,Mike


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: T Wilcox on March 14, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Well I found this while browsing and thought of this post. Not exactly John Mayer but the tone is evident and atleast hes tryin to play the song that started this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-B97sfPOYE

I still think almost every vid on this post has already proven the point
Ceriatone amps are high quality


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: JD0x0 on March 15, 2011, 12:36:34 AM


http://www.youtube.com/embed/q8IafaoGjFU
http://www.youtube.com/embed/MOdoth5IgBY


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: SoundPerf on March 17, 2011, 05:21:44 AM
Hey JD0x0, I really like what's going on in that second clip. It's good to hear another approach to the using this amp.


Title: Re: Challenge to owners
Post by: axiology on March 17, 2011, 04:10:37 PM
Nice playing from JM, but I don't think there's anything particularly unique about the tone/sound. Playing a strat wiith fingers through any decent tube amp will do that.