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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2008, 03:28:44 PM »

I hate this  Grin

I have allready ordered my cab (with 2 g12-65's) I play Strats mostly. I do feel SPM's clips on YouTube sound a bit dark and so does the clip I added a few posts earlier. On the other hand a few people are very convincing in their comments about the quality of the G12-65 both in the clean (sparkly and open) and the OD channel. Obviously the sound in those clips is also the result of the way the amp controls are set up, the choise of guitar etc etc. To make it even more complicated I have heard some people making comments about the fact they needed to tweak the amp because it sounded to trebly with a Strat.
I'm confused. I might be able to have the speakers replaced with Celestion Golds, but I don't want to spend the extra € 200 for nothing. It's hard to decide someting like that without being able to compare it by ear yourself.

Anyone with some convincing clips of the ODS with g12-65 and a strat?


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I have made an interesting observation. Lots of people complain about the PODXT being fizzy. I never noticed that with my Marshall power amp and G12H-100's. I do notice it with my Atomic power amp and Eminence full range speaker though. Now I know why  Cheesy





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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2008, 07:12:26 PM »

...cmon people 1265 is not a bad speaker. Tone is a very personal thing and what is awesome to one person, can be a complete disappointment for others.
This speaker has been proven many many times and if it sounds bad, my vote is there is something wrong with you and not with the gear.

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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2008, 08:42:15 PM »

Just noticed Marin is using a G12-65 as well. Nothing dark there !
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2008, 09:18:34 PM »

I've had my Overtone now for nearly a week & have had chance to try it with a variety of speakers both at home & on a loud(ish) gig. IMHO it's all very subjective anyway & all down to personal taste and the guitars you use.  I built a single 12 for small gigs and use at home with an original (1981) G12-65 (see piccie) installed & despite what you'd expect there's plenty of top end on tap- maybe too much at times with the bright switch 'on'.  On the gig I used a Marshall 2x12 with a G12-65 & a Vintage 30 and surprisingly I found myself boosting the top end slightly- mind you that was probably due to frequency deafness setting in- my drummer has all the subtlety/technique of a house brick  Grin  I have to say the Overtone sounded fantastic even at high volume.  It was also good to find the Mains & O/P transformers were barely warm even at the end of a long gig- a sure sign of a well designed/built amp.

I've also found the effects loop to be really useful and even with longish cable runs to & from my pedal board- I can barely detect any loss when engaged.  In fact I'm experimenting using the stereo out from my EH Memory Man to connect to a Vox AC30CCX2's effex return (essentially using just the Vox's power amp section) with interesting results- especially with the Alnico blues in the Vox adding their magic too it makes for a massive roar I can tell you!  I think Robben Ford does something similar using a Fender Twin with the Dumble. 



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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2008, 10:33:29 PM »

wait'll you hear the diff when you try a buffered loop...
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2008, 02:09:22 PM »

Just noticed Marin is using a G12-65 as well. Nothing dark there !

I too mainly play strats. I was going to suggest that you check out Marin's clips - thats what sold me on the 1265 and I don't regret it one bit.
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2008, 03:09:42 PM »

Thanks for all the imput guys! (I worry to much)


Just payed a visit to the thegearpage forum. Some of this discussion must be boring for some of the members here. This has been talked about a lot. Sometimes in a very uinpleasant way.  It's a spuprise they haven't started a nuclear war as a result of dicussions on TwoRocks, Fuchs, EVL's, Celestions etc etc.  Undecided
I hope the tone here stays a bit more mellow. Cheesy
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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2008, 03:16:40 PM »

Just payed a visit to the thegearpage forum. It's a spuprise they haven't started a nuclear war as a result of dicussions on TwoRocks, Fuchs, EVL's, Celestions etc etc.  Undecided
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2008, 08:49:24 PM »

...cmon people 1265 is not a bad speaker. Tone is a very personal thing and what is awesome to one person, can be a complete disappointment for others.
This speaker has been proven many many times and if it sounds bad, my vote is there is something wrong with you and not with the gear.

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There is something wrong with me because I think the 1265 is dark sounding and doesn't sound good with a strat? Whateva.
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2008, 09:21:46 PM »

I'm dialing in some really nice tones now with my strats and tele's and the G12-65.

Its really equalized well for the way I play and pick.


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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2008, 05:47:00 AM »

There is something wrong with me because I think the 1265 is dark sounding and doesn't sound good with a strat? Whateva.

Please don't take that as a personal attack on you. In my non English way, I just wanted to say that before people start discarding something, they should try it out and only than they'll be able to say something works or not. No one can do that for them. All we can do is pass some biased opinions (including me!!) and thats all.
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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2008, 09:20:44 AM »

I see a V30 in your future Jack. Tongue    I too, am quite partial to the RWB but can certainly appreciate that a lot of great players are digging the 12-65.  How's that for diplomatic.
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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2008, 09:38:17 AM »

Plus it's all a package. Of the amp and the speaker and the guitar and (most important) the player.

I have noticed people altering the schemetics of the amp because the treble if to harsh. I guess you could get comparable results with changing the speaker.

There's a nice video of Robben Ford on YouTube commenting on his rig.

He discusses the importance of speakers (quote: if you're not getting the sound you want you might wanna change your speakers) but when he's on the road he just get a Marshall cab He doesn't know what kind of speakers are in there. He uses a Twin Reverb as well. I guess Robben will always sound like Robben.
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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2008, 03:10:17 PM »

...cmon people 1265 is not a bad speaker. Tone is a very personal thing and what is awesome to one person, can be a complete disappointment for others.
This speaker has been proven many many times and if it sounds bad, my vote is there is something wrong with you and not with the gear.

 Cool


There is something wrong with me because I think the 1265 is dark sounding and doesn't sound good with a strat? Whateva.
This is mot directed a jzucker, but just a reminder to all of us on this thread...
1. There are many factors that affect tone and how a speaker sounds and without being able to compare under identical conditions a definitive comparison cannot be made.
2. You cannot really tell how something sounds form a recording. As good as Marin's and others samples sound, we are not hearing the real thing. You can only get an idea of what the real thing sounds like. I purchased the OT based on Marin's and Sami's sound samples, but I was truly blown away when I got to play through the real thing and I have played through he best out there.
3. Tone is relative, one person may like a darker sound. One speaker may sound really good for certain things and not for others. I was able to AB my G12-65s (Rola) and they just did not sound as good as the V30/G12-30H combo. They weren't bad, just not as good. Moreover, I would bet that no one would hear the difference on a Youtube video.
4. A good player using the Overtone with any speaker with compatible ratings/specs will sound good. A specific speaker choice is to put that special touch on your tone.

All that said, if any one has had a good or bad experience with a speaker I appreciate their input. Thanks!
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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2008, 06:29:03 PM »

I have just ordered a small cab with a G12M Greenback.

I am curious what it will sound like. I'll post some clips in 3 weeks when it should arrive.

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