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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2008, 06:40:13 AM »
I am using a Scumback M75-8HD LHDC_65 Watt with my Mesa 5:50 and I have a Eminence Red Fang 30 watt.
I also have a Celestion G12H-65 Heritage and a Altec Lansing 417-8C

I don't like either the Celestion or the Altec with my Mesa but they might be great with the Overtone.
How much difference is there with bigger size cabs, My are not big but they are wide open in back so I would think size not that important? Anyone got any expertise on that. I was thinking of putting together another cab that was bigger but I am not sure how much difference it would make.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2008, 06:51:45 PM »
After hearing scott lerner's latest clips, I bought a pair of celestion heritage 1265 speakers for my 212 cab. While they do sound great for robben ford tones, I found that they have very little high freq content. They tend to make your clean sound dead. THat's probably why they sound so smooth for overdrive tones. I went back to the emi rw&b speaker. It's not as smooth but it has a good, wide freq response and can get really "nasty" with a slightly overdriven sound in the clean channel with a strat/tele which the 1265 could *NOT* do.
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2008, 07:09:29 PM »
Jack,

I agree that they can be too smooth. However, they do work well with the "bright" switch on the Overtone, which people tend not to use with normal speakers.

It brings back that single coils upper end.

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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2008, 07:39:01 PM »
Quote from: marinblues on March 03, 2008, 07:09:29 PM
Jack,

I agree that they can be too smooth. However, they do work well with the "bright" switch on the Overtone, which people tend not to use with normal speakers.

It brings back that single coils upper end.

Marin

Unfortunately, those speakers can't reproduce the high freq so no matter how much brightness the amp is putting out, they will never have the twangyness to get a really great clean tone. As I said, it's a compromise because they do sound great when heavily distorted. They are also about 1/2 the efficiency of the RW&B speakers. A good compromise might be a RW&B along with a 1265 but the 1265 woudl get buried in the mix.
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2008, 08:25:58 PM »
Do you know which Celestion can compare to the RWB?
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2008, 11:15:40 PM »
Quote from: marinblues on March 03, 2008, 08:25:58 PM
Do you know which Celestion can compare to the RWB?




Unfortunately not but I believe the emi governer uses the same voice coil and magnet but with a british cone. I was thinking of trying one of those out.
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2008, 01:02:00 AM »
I decided a while back to stick with the RWandB and tune both the Dlite and OT to that speaker.  Enough is enough...

Just a mini rant but........ Of course ScottL is a fabulous player but after a song or two of that "perpetual foreplay" jazzy OD stuff I need to hear a Major chord or two or I get the overpowering feeling for punching something...lol. Grin Angry Grin   
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2008, 03:23:48 AM »
that was funny, ChrisL.....

Now....where are your clips and your review of the Overtone vs the D'Lite?Huh?
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2008, 03:53:08 AM »
Umm...ya....clips...I'm right on it.   Grin Wink
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2008, 06:24:32 PM »
Quote from: jzucker on March 03, 2008, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: marinblues on March 03, 2008, 07:09:29 PM
Jack,

I agree that they can be too smooth. However, they do work well with the "bright" switch on the Overtone, which people tend not to use with normal speakers.

It brings back that single coils upper end.

Marin

Unfortunately, those speakers can't reproduce the high freq so no matter how much brightness the amp is putting out, they will never have the twangyness to get a really great clean tone. As I said, it's a compromise because they do sound great when heavily distorted. They are also about 1/2 the efficiency of the RW&B speakers. A good compromise might be a RW&B along with a 1265 but the 1265 woudl get buried in the mix.

Jack, this is the tone I mean't when using the bright switch. I still need to keep the treble at 2 for this tone. I am using a 1x12 G12-65 cab:
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2008, 08:47:21 PM »
Quote from: marinblues on March 04, 2008, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: jzucker on March 03, 2008, 07:39:01 PM
Quote from: marinblues on March 03, 2008, 07:09:29 PM
Jack,

I agree that they can be too smooth. However, they do work well with the "bright" switch on the Overtone, which people tend not to use with normal speakers.

It brings back that single coils upper end.

Marin

Unfortunately, those speakers can't reproduce the high freq so no matter how much brightness the amp is putting out, they will never have the twangyness to get a really great clean tone. As I said, it's a compromise because they do sound great when heavily distorted. They are also about 1/2 the efficiency of the RW&B speakers. A good compromise might be a RW&B along with a 1265 but the 1265 woudl get buried in the mix.

Jack, this is the tone I mean't when using the bright switch. I still need to keep the treble at 2 for this tone. I am using a 1x12 G12-65 cab:



Can't get to youtube from work but I'll give it a listen tonight. Usually, when folks talk about bright with the Heritage G1265 speakers they're really talking about upper mids since the g1265 can't reproduce much high freq.
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2008, 09:07:09 PM »
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I have a reissue 15 ohm celestion g12 65 I am going to sell unless it sounds good with the Overtone when I get it.
I have a question I am using a Lansing Altec 417 8c with a 5 watt amp octal amp made by Stephenson Amps and it sounds great, has anyone tried one of these. I got it on ebay awhile back and wasn't sure I was going to like it, but so far so good. I think I like it better than the Scumback I have.

And Marin, I am so glad I heard that clip. I love my strat and am not particularly enamored of humbuckers and I thought your tele sounded just fine, you were using single coils, I couldn't see all of the guitar.
Nice playing-look out Robben Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2008, 09:18:50 PM »
Nice tone Marin Wink- in fact your Youtube clips made me pull the trigger recently and order the Overtone- hearing your latest clip has REALLY convinced me I did the right thing- that juicy neck pu tele tone is so cool- is that tele straight in to the OT with no effects/compression etc?  I'm now busy building a 1x12 G-65 cab with Vox cloth as we speak- five weeks to go & counting...   Tongue Tongue Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2008, 04:00:07 AM »
marin,

Listened to the clip. It sounds good but a little fizzly. How are you recording it? Just for comparison, here's a clip of my ethos with a strat.

I will have to take this down tomorrow...

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/demos/ethos/ethos%20strat%20demo.mov
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2008, 07:51:23 AM »
Quote from: jzucker on March 05, 2008, 04:00:07 AM
marin,

Listened to the clip. It sounds good but a little fizzly. How are you recording it? Just for comparison, here's a clip of my ethos with a strat.

I will have to take this down tomorrow...

http://www.sheetsofsound.net/demos/ethos/ethos%20strat%20demo.mov

Cool playing Jack. Nice video too.

But I am sure which higher end tones are you  trying to get...?

Your tone is pretty smooth on this clips, almost "G12-65-ish". Wink


Mitch: I record with a SM57 into a Focusrite saffire. There is compression coming from the Mastering software in the final mix. I am also using a Boss DD-3 delay pedal which adds that backslap sizzle which I like. I think that the DD-3, by not being a true-bypass, adds some compression too.

However, the amp does have a lot of natural compression. For me the idea of these amps is to tune in to a semi-clean overdrive which compresses with harder attack. I think you can hear it when I pluck the strings harder.


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