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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2011, 10:37:15 PM »

Oops, beat me to it, Greg.

You know, that's a good point about using the power supply of the Ceriatone to drive the D-lator.
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« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2011, 07:33:29 PM »

What about something like this....
...just finished this one for a friend of mine.

It has a bypass switch and parallel/serial switch as well.
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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2011, 01:48:17 AM »

That looks great. I'm in the middle of building mine. I'm using an enclosure that about 1/2 the size and it hasn't been easy fitting everything. I wish I could have gotten a toroidal xformer like the one you have. They're so much more appropriate for a project like this. Did you have yours made special or did you find a production model? I don't know why they're are not easier to source here in the US.
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2011, 06:58:28 AM »

It was a custom order... if there would be a market for it, I could easily order more... but it is always a bit tricky to order these stuff in quantity isn't it.
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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2011, 07:58:56 PM »

That looks great. I'm in the middle of building mine. I'm using an enclosure that about 1/2 the size and it hasn't been easy fitting everything. I wish I could have gotten a toroidal xformer like the one you have. They're so much more appropriate for a project like this. Did you have yours made special or did you find a production model? I don't know why they're are not easier to source here in the US.


Hammond and London Power have em in stock
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2011, 03:40:00 AM »

Hammond and London Power have em in stock
What are you referring to?....Transformers?
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2011, 12:25:39 AM »

I broke the Power On/Off switch last night on my C-Lator whilst taking taking the cover off the rack unit, the front cover slipped undoing the latches and it hit the switch.

So I went without it and whole night I kept on fiddling with my amp settings and hated the sound I was getting.

I don't think I could live with these amps without a C_Lator in the loop, very harsh sounding, to my ears anyway.

I also have a Kleinulator, I start taking that to gigs as a backup incase something similar happens again.
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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2011, 07:17:31 AM »


I don't think I could live with these amps without a C_Lator in the loop, very harsh sounding, to my ears anyway.

I also have a Kleinulator, I start taking that to gigs as a backup incase something similar happens again.

I don't doubt that's the way it works for you, but for anyone who might think that's true for everyone, and that it's a compulsory extra cost:
To me the BM50 sounds delightful without any buffer added. I prefer it over the Matchless and Victoria amps I 've tried. In fact, it's my favourite
Then again, I don't use it for heavy OD, which may be where the C-Lator adds its value
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2011, 06:40:07 PM »

Hammond and London Power have em in stock
What are you referring to?....Transformers?

Yes, the transformers
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2011, 05:39:14 AM »



I don't doubt that's the way it works for you, but for anyone who might think that's true for everyone, and that it's a compulsory extra cost:
To me the BM50 sounds delightful without any buffer added. I prefer it over the Matchless and Victoria amps I 've tried. In fact, it's my favourite
Then again, I don't use it for heavy OD, which may be where the C-Lator adds its value

I should of said "this amp" not "these amps", mine is a HRM not a BM
And from what I can gather from clips other people have posted, these 2 amps are different sounding.

The only other Ceriatone "D Clone" that I have heard in person is a OTS50 another guitarist in town owns and that sounds different again. He doesn't know if it is a S&M version or modded or not, he bought it off EBay.

I don't run a lot of gain at all, more of a boosted clean, but without the C-Lator it sounds raw and harsh in both channels, the C-Lator takes the edge of it.

For Higher Gain stuff I do another band I use the Stray Cat
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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2011, 11:37:43 AM »



I don't doubt that's the way it works for you, but for anyone who might think that's true for everyone, and that it's a compulsory extra cost:
To me the BM50 sounds delightful without any buffer added. I prefer it over the Matchless and Victoria amps I 've tried. In fact, it's my favourite
Then again, I don't use it for heavy OD, which may be where the C-Lator adds its value

I should of said "this amp" not "these amps", mine is a HRM not a BM
And from what I can gather from clips other people have posted, these 2 amps are different sounding.

The only other Ceriatone "D Clone" that I have heard in person is a OTS50 another guitarist in town owns and that sounds different again. He doesn't know if it is a S&M version or modded or not, he bought it off EBay.

I don't run a lot of gain at all, more of a boosted clean, but without the C-Lator it sounds raw and harsh in both channels, the C-Lator takes the edge of it.

For Higher Gain stuff I do another band I use the Stray Cat

I had a stock OTS50, which was less crisp than the BM50 on the clean, and more raw on the OD
Now when I want a less crisp tone, I engage a Klon(e) pedal, which just takes it to more like a "super" tone
Do you find the C-Lator much better than the K-Lator?
btw what speakers are you using? I found speaker choice critical with the BM (Celestion Gold perfect, EVM12 too harsh, most speakers too dull), and to a lesser extent with the OTS (EVM12 perfect, Celestion Gold not as good, some other work too)

btw I run the BM very clean: preamp vol on 2-3, master on 6-7
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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2011, 04:42:20 PM »

The C-lator or Dumbleator variant is far superior in terms of high fidelity than that of the K-lator. the K-lator does not have as much headroom. D-lators add more than just an interface to your effects, it's a tone shaping tool in itself. Increases overall sensitivity to pick attach, more compression, more balanced OD and clean tones, as well as an Overall Master Volume. I highly suggest one for any D-style voicing whether it be non-HRM, HRM, high plate, low plate, BM, HRM whatever... They're 100% necessary. 
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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2011, 12:30:40 AM »


btw what speakers are you using? I found speaker choice critical with the BM (Celestion Gold perfect, EVM12 too harsh, most speakers too dull), and to a lesser extent with the OTS (EVM12 perfect, Celestion Gold not as good, some other work too)

btw I run the BM very clean: preamp vol on 2-3, master on 6-7

I run WGS ET-65's (Celestion G12-65 Clones) in a 4x12 Cab or EVM12L Classic in a Theile Cab depending on the venue
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« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2011, 07:44:57 AM »

I think speakers are important on the BM too. I was running weber 1265 alnicos (alnico version of the G12-65) until tonight. The alnico weber version of the speaker is not dark as others, more on the warm side, and nicely bright, but the low end response of the BM was a little much for them, at least to my ears. I could never really find a tone stack setting I was really happy with, that's part of the reason I bypassed the HRM tonestack. I even stopped using the c-lator for a bit out of frustration. Tonight I stuck my 20 year old eminence G1s in there, tuned the HRM and PI trimmer back to factory specs put the c-lator back on and wow! That's all I can say. I ran it without the c-lator as well to compare and even with the better matching speakers it just wasn't as good without it. Seems to make it smoother and more punchy at the same time, depending how you set it. The Webers are great speakers, just not a great match for the BM
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« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2011, 08:44:24 AM »

 I think the C-Lator is the one to get!
Question to the pro's here (don't want to start a new thread): I've got an C-Lator here (was a kit). I'm using it with my OTS 50, an it sounds awesome! Really! But I have got  a bit more hum than I had with the Kleinulator. Does everyone know what this could be?

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