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76  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 27, 2011, 09:05:01 PM
Kevster,
I play weekly in a contemporary praise band as well, and I feel for your quest for the ultimate tone setup.  I have a 50W HRM-OTS and am very happy with the clean and singing lead tones.  What i find I miss the most, is all of the lightly overdriven tones or those with a bit of hair around the edges.  As you know, that is a lot of the tones today in worship tunes.  I currently use a very nice TW Express clone.  It is amazing how it changes from clean to mean just by rolling off on the volume of the guitar.  The downside is that it doesn't have an effects loop and I end up running a wet/dry setup.  That's a bunch of stuff to haul around and the sound guy normally complains about board inputs, etc.

I'm on a quest to integrate the HRM-50 full time into my worship setup and have played around a bit with some overdrive pedals to use on the clean channel and cover the light OD sounds.  My OCD seems to cover that ground pretty good.  I also am finding that the Ceriatone is very sensitive to how hard you play and attack the strings, so with some work I think I can cover the broad range of tones.  I wish I could try out a HRM-BM as it seems to cover some of the in between tones pretty well but not sure how much of the liquid lead tones you give up on that model.

Just thought I would give you my 2 cents on the HRM50-OTS.  Good luck, and as others have stated, there probably isn't a really bad choice Smiley
sean
The OCD is my "light OD" solution as well.  The TS is set almost wide open and the tone nearly off in order to get that deep heavy OD (ala Power Ballad...)  The Zen cuts through great.  I'm also tired of hauling it all around too, but that's a part of the package.

Thanks for the input.  The "sensitivity" of the HRM I've heard about.... That's one of my reservations.  We play multi-electrics every week and even with good monitors, articulation isn't always easy.  I want to be able to "coast" at times if the monitors aren't great.
77  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bill of Materials on: May 27, 2011, 08:01:39 PM
Todd,

What'd you do for a cab?
78  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bill of Materials on: May 27, 2011, 05:50:33 PM
Great idea!!!!
79  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 27, 2011, 01:42:41 PM
Kevster

I dont think anyone will tell you which one to get.
This is your decision!

Now you got a couple weeks to ask as many questions, watch as many clips as possible to make up your mind if you want a kit.

Whichever one you choose will be a good choice

Todd
Todd,

I don't expect someone to make the decision.  I just hoped somebody had a chance to A/B the two and could give me perspective... I know any of them would be a great amp, I'm just thorough...

Since you won't be using your for about 6 weeks, is it OK if I borrow it? Grin Shocked Huh?
80  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Well, it looks like my timing was off.... on: May 27, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Definitely a bummer on the broken hand, T!!!

Still looking at pushing up my purchase.

The bright-ish side to this is that he will still sell Package 1.  If he does that, the rest of it just goes domestic (USA).

It's a shift of responsibility. It's not the end of the world, but it will make it more challenging to build an amp.
81  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Well, it looks like my timing was off.... on: May 27, 2011, 02:43:48 AM
I'm doing the math to see if I can swing it ahead of the cutoff.

All right everybody. I need to know if I should go for the OTS FM 50 ME, HRM BM50, or the BRM 50... Please respond to my other thread because I've only got two weeks!!!!!
82  Ceriatone / Overtone / Well, it looks like my timing was off.... on: May 27, 2011, 01:41:11 AM
Nik posted a notice that he's suspending the selling of kits effective 6/15/2011.  I can't order mine by then, so I guess I will only be able to get a complete amp....

Here's the notice: http://www.ceriatone.com/tlbrBorderSub/Kits%20Announcement%202011.htm

Bummed.
83  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 26, 2011, 07:16:48 PM
Well, I've been reading through the forums, listening to sound clips, and watching video demos, and it hasn't really nailed down that this is THE BEST CHOICE.

I play contemporary Praise and Worship every week (3, and very soon 4 services a week).  The tones go from clean and chimey, to clean and benign (Jazz cleans), to mild OD, to power ballad OD, to cutting OD, to sustaining cleans for slide (once in a while), to you name it.  I know I'm going to use a Smartulator/C-lator because you HAVE TO USE DELAY, REVERB, and COMPRESSION (and sometimes a touch of something else) with the modern stuff.  I use the tone control a lot for some of it, but volume control is currently out of an expression pedal.  I have three different OD pedals: an OCD, A TS909 Reissue, and Zen 1 OD (mild/rhythm OD, Power OD, and cutting tone/boost respectively) into a Bill M modded Blues Jr (great and versatile version of a decent amp).  I know I can use all the effects in the loop of the new amp for sound options, but I would like to have a good amp driven tone from my OTS when I get it...  Not just have "clean monitor" on the back side of pedals.  I wouldn't need to spend the money for that...

So here's the dilema... Of the Non-HRM OTS line I feel the Mod Eagle 50 head with C-lator is the way to go, but I've heard some equally good things about the HRM (BM and not) and the OD shaping options.

Question is:  With what I've described, which way would the folks with these amps lean?  HRM?, HRM BM?, OTS50 FM ME?

I'll be emailing Nik over the weekend to get his suggestions...

Thanks everyone~~~
84  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 10, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
Do most US buyers pick up the bulk of the parts over here to save on weight/shipping costs??? THe OT, PT, Choke, tubes, etc.?

I live in Europe - and that's exactly what I did.
Bought the kit without tubes and trannies and bought these in EU to save import duties and freight cost.
I haven't done too much digging, but I'm not finding truly good parts cheap enough to go that route... Of course, I haven't really started looking yet....

We'll see what I find when the time comes...

Well in the Dumble community I might get burned at the stake for saying this, but I started with just 1 WGS ET-65 and it was a little Dark for my taste. I since got 2x12 cab and added a WGS Vet30 to the Et-65 and it sounds great IMO.
A majority of D-style players will say the V30's sound horrible with these amps, I do not agree!

Never tried a 15" but have heard one guy using a Jensen 15" and he said he's happy with sound.

The most recommended speaker will be the Celestion G12-65. The WGS ET-65 is a clone of that which cost's 1/3 of the price.

Then there is the expensive stuff ( Alnico's , EV12L )

Good day!

Todd
I'm going to use the speakers I have on hand in a couple of combo amps for starters... Just to test drive it.  I'll talk to the guys at my local shop and see what kind cabs I can test drive, etc....  I'll find the right fit.
85  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 09, 2011, 07:23:04 PM
Todd,

Cool... It's all good.  An educated risk that worked....

I guess I got to Ceriatone because of considering a Plexi about 4 years ago.  I was going to do a kit, but it wasn't the RIGHT amp for me.... It would have been a great amp that didn't produce MY SOUND.  That got shelved and I focused on the TONE I liked instead of just song based tone.  A lot of artists have good tone on a song or two, but other artists have great tone even if their styles were such that I wouldn't typically listen to them (like you with RF).  Warren Haynes tone with a Dumble probably got me interested, but it took a while for me to realize the value/cost of a Ceriatone OTS.  That is the bottom line.  I loved a tone that cost WAY too much to get the conventional way, and it seems like the value far outshines the cost.  If I can get 95% or more of that Dumble sound on a much smaller budget, it works!!!!

From everything I've read, the FM50 Modern Eagle sounds like it'd fit me the best.  

It sounds like you have my intended rig (amp and C-Lator/Smartulator).  I was going to try several different speaker options with the head before I pulled the trigger on a final speaker for it.  I was even considering trying out a few 15" speakers before I decided... We'll see...

Anybody tried a 15" speaker with an OTS?
86  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 09, 2011, 05:33:23 PM
Hey man
I built the OTS FM50 Modern eagle as my first kit build.
Its a great amp, and I am still learning new uses for its settings all the time.

You should contact Nik by email and express your tonal desires, using as many descriptions you can think of.

As far as "modding switches" that is pretty vague ?
Lots of the guys on this site do all kinds of various mods as required. They are usually seasoned builders I would suppose.

What mods do you refer to?

Are you going to build this kit?Or pre-built?

Todd



Todd,

How do you like it??? Did you assemble it yourself?  What sold you on the Mod Eagle vs. the other options??

Thanks,

Kevin
87  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 09, 2011, 05:30:26 PM
Somewhere from all parts to assembled board, but no further.  I've done electronics work for years.  Trained technician in the army, even learned to solder in a military manner.  Not a problem there.

The switch mods aren't electronically involved at all.  I want to add footswitching capabilities/alternatives to the switches on the face (Bright, Deep, Rock/Jazz)... Since I haven't had the pleasure of test driving one of these amps enough to know the impact of these switches, I don't know how useful they'd be live. i know the existing footswitch is an OD/PreAmp(Mid)-Boost, but the other switch controls (if they are still on the amp) aren't going to be unusable in a live situation under the performance constraints. The "Rock/Jazz" switch seems like it might be handy for sure, but possibly all three would be handy to change in a live situation.  Our music has a lot of dynamic changes sometimes... Are switching any of these three "on the fly" useable sonically?  It may not be practical on the amp, but it might be useful for some songs...

Thanks for the heads up on things.  I've heard about Nik's great reputation for being pro-active and very helpful, but I always go to the players first... I guess I'm partial to opinions that come from people that have the shared experience of parting with cash.... Grin

The questions you ask are very common for 'new' users of Dumble style amps.

98% of all users have the switches set like this: Bright: Off, Mid Off, Rock/Jazz: Rock
Some people (me included) have put the mid boost functionality on a relay, so it can foot switched - I never use it.

As you know there's a lot of difference between playing at home situation, where you can experiment with all kinds of settings - and really hear every small difference in tone. However, at rehearsal with a band or playing gigs, take my word for it, you have more than enough options with OD and PAB footswitch. Dumble knew what he did - and his amps are designed for studio or live use. These are the situations where this amp shines - not home use.

Have fun with your amp!

BTW, the PAB sound really strange at home, but but but when you play with a band, its a different story...it actually help focus your lead tone and works fine for Blues, Rock and fusion.

You're speaking my language!!! Thanks for the insight. Yeah, that is the kind of answer I was looking for.  I suspeected that the sswitches weren't practical live or else they would have may them foot switchable already....

I'm looking forward to having the Smartulator with a good quality amp. The Marshall on consignment just didn't sound as good as it should when using the effects loop, and it sounds like this one will...

Yeah, I'm stoked.

Do most US buyers pick up the bulk of the parts over here to save on weight/shipping costs??? THe OT, PT, Choke, tubes, etc.?
88  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 09, 2011, 04:09:57 AM
Somewhere from all parts to assembled board, but no further.  I've done electronics work for years.  Trained technician in the army, even learned to solder in a military manner.  Not a problem there.

The switch mods aren't electronically involved at all.  I want to add footswitching capabilities/alternatives to the switches on the face (Bright, Deep, Rock/Jazz)... Since I haven't had the pleasure of test driving one of these amps enough to know the impact of these switches, I don't know how useful they'd be live. i know the existing footswitch is an OD/PreAmp(Mid)-Boost, but the other switch controls (if they are still on the amp) aren't going to be unusable in a live situation under the performance constraints. The "Rock/Jazz" switch seems like it might be handy for sure, but possibly all three would be handy to change in a live situation.  Our music has a lot of dynamic changes sometimes... Are switching any of these three "on the fly" useable sonically?  It may not be practical on the amp, but it might be useful for some songs...

Thanks for the heads up on things.  I've heard about Nik's great reputation for being pro-active and very helpful, but I always go to the players first... I guess I'm partial to opinions that come from people that have the shared experience of parting with cash.... Grin
89  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 09, 2011, 01:07:14 AM
Oh, and adding the Smartulator goes without saying.  That's a must.  All the positive aspects of the OTS, but no reverb... Some sort of delay and some 'verb now and then is a must with the music I do...
90  Ceriatone / Overtone / Stalking a new Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle... on: May 08, 2011, 11:11:47 PM
Hey All,

I've been lurking as I have a Marshall Combo on consignment... The plan is to take the cash from that and pick up a kit from Ceriatone Overtone FM50 Mod Eagle, but I'm wanting to go a little outside the box with this rig... You see, I play mainly in church settings and I typically will have my amp isolated out of sight and reach. I currently use a Bill M modded Blues Junior, but though a great little amp, it doesn't do anything but provide a nice clean warm sound... I use pedals to do the rest (this isn't optimum, but it is better than any modeler I've played through.) Because of where and how I have to use this thing, I thought about adding some extras to the stock amp.

First: It'll be a head with a separate speaker cabinet.  This is a no-brainer as I don't put the amp in an iso-cabinet (heat).  Even still, I won't be able to have my hands on the amp, so hence my "plans".

Well, these "extras" include the addition of an external footswitch for those switches typically on the faceplate... I have to "remote" them for use from the stage.  It'll likely be 15-20 feet of cable from my location of the stage to the amp plus another 10' to the speaker cab... I think it is easy to see why I need to have the controls outboard of the amp!

I've read of a number of mods on here, some of which I may have to try at some point once I get it "home".  I was going to order the complete 60W kit/Package 2 and do the rest myself.  I have some time, but I've read that there are many players on here that have substituted other trannies, tubes, etc.  If that is a common issue, please say so!!!

So: 1) Modding the switches, anybody done it?; 2) Are "factory" mods common, accepted, worth it; 3) Any advice of red flags from anyone?

Thanks for any advice or information!!!
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