I have the S and M 50 watt, and am very happy- as is, no mods. Looking back, a 100w might have been nice for the extra clean headroom, as the amp really doesn't need to be pushed to get great overdrive tones.
Oh that one...sorry, I thought you were referring to the one on the real Dumble. There is a Mike Stern book/CD out that has him, Weckl and Patttitucci doing tunes they wrote- one CD with Stern, the other without. I think it's called the ultimate play along book or something like that. It has a book, but I just started playing with the Sternless one by ear.
Good question.....although, Tony cannot possibly provide us with an answer on that one, since he didnt swap the tubes between the two amps respectively nor reverse engineer the Dumble on the celestion demo stand.
We could also ask him, if the differences between the two amps could be due to
- the transformers used or - the values of the powerstring used and thereof voltages - the capacitor make or - the construction differences between a ODS and a S&M - etc
Fantastic tone and playing on the Ceriatone track.......who's the song by??
Thanks. That was an unmodded S&M through a Two Rock 12-65. The first tune was Round Midnight by Thelonius Monk. I think I might have played Eroll Garner's Misty on the Trainwreck...(???a jazz ballad on a TW...what the hell was I thinking?) and maybe a snippet of Norah Jones' Don't Know Why. The whole experience kind of caught me by surprise....I was checking out the Celestion 12-65 ( stilll like Two rock's take much better- tighter bottom better for clean/strat playing, although the celestion has that nice midrange texture), the film crew came in, asked if I wanted to play on film, told me to start playing something, and 20 minutes later, it was done. It's a shame the recording didn't do those beautiful and historic masterpieces justice.
I will not comment the Dumble vid ... but man I wish I could be in that room...
The second vid is awesome... Tony you're an awesome player and the tone is awesome as well. What did you have in loop? or in from of amp
I have another question for you... On that NY amp show you've seen/heard (probably tried) most of the D style amps in existence, from different builders. How does OTS compare too all that?
...btw I already know your answer.
Thanks for the kind words. I love 'em all. Depends on the day as to preference. Like Baskin and Robbins. Dumble obviously had more girth, but it's a 100 w amp. I changed v1 in the OT 2 days ago, and it's now much more like the Dumble than before. Dumble sounded amazing with a 335 played by the guy before me. I think I feel more comfortable on the OT with the Tele.
Tony, Which tube brand and type have you installed in V1 ?? Please share
Excelent stuff (although I must say the tainwrecks didn't do it for me) Would you say the differences between Dumble and Ceriatone could also be related to the tubes used?
The video didn't do the Trainwrecks justice. Also remember, all were run dry. No reverb for me is kind of like going outside in my underwear.
I will not comment the Dumble vid ... but man I wish I could be in that room...
The second vid is awesome... Tony you're an awesome player and the tone is awesome as well. What did you have in loop? or in from of amp
I have another question for you... On that NY amp show you've seen/heard (probably tried) most of the D style amps in existence, from different builders. How does OTS compare too all that?
...btw I already know your answer.
Thanks for the kind words. I love 'em all. Depends on the day as to preference. Like Baskin and Robbins. Dumble obviously had more girth, but it's a 100 w amp. I changed v1 in the OT 2 days ago, and it's now much more like the Dumble than before. Dumble sounded amazing with a 335 played by the guy before me. I think I feel more comfortable on the OT with the Tele.
Tony, you're a great player !!! Both the Dumble and the SM sound great.
I'm a little curious about the feel of the amps. How would you describe the difference in 'feel' between the two amps, if any?
...even if its two very different situations - playin at a show and playing in a more quiet studio setting.
Thanks....The Ceriatone was spongier, more Fender like, a little thinner...The Dumble- more harmonic girth, richness in the low mid range. I like 'em both. A lot.
Preview The Tan Dumble vs Ceriatone S&M- video comparison
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I sort of hit the lottery at the NY amp show when I was asked to demo some really nice amps. Kind of like going to a car show and being asked to try the James Bond's Aston Martins. It was a good day. Thought it might be interesting to compare the videos of the two amps with the same guitar and player.
The following are my impressions of the amps @ the NY show. Please keep in mind, all were played in very small hotel rooms, and might sound totally different in alternative situations. Dumble: Great OD at low volumes, cleans OK, but not spectacular, gave up harmonics in OD easily, more subtle change in PAB and boost modes than the S and M, Deep boost was deeper than deep boost on CT, Seemed to like the 335 the guy before me was playing much more than the Tele. If anything, the S and M sounded a bit more like the David Lindley clip on youtube and the Dumble like the Hilden 335 clip. Theile ev cab.- sounded small to me, especially next to the 2 12 semi open backed ones. Maybe they really need to be cranked to get singing. I thought it would be much fuller than my Boogie Mark combos, but basically the same flavor, albeit with a bigger bottom Bludo 80s dumble clone.- a bit harsh before he added the Bludodrive- Bludo drive had more pronounced smoothing effect than the Klein. Bludo S S S- Physically very big head, more than I'd ever carry. Beautiful, thick cleans, -not Fendery Fuchs HRM- Cleans very similar to the S and M, very gainy overdrive, a bit thinner than the others- reminded me a bit of my late Boogie mk 4. Trainwrecks- loud, aggressive, full sounding. I really didn't have any prior experience with that type of amp, so I don't have anything to reference. I did really like them. It was more - "just start playing something and we'll start filming." Of course, my playing was sloppy as hell, ...oh well.
New York amp show- Celestion booth. I was trying out the original Overdrive Special they had with some 12-65 speakers. Premier Guitar film crew walks in and asks me if I want to demo the amps in the room- the Dumble, a Trainwreck Express and Liverpool, and some Brunos through different (some unreleased) Celestion speakers. An offer I could not refuse. The video should be up on the Premier Guitar site soon. When I was done, I went straight to the Bludotone and Fuchs booths while the sound of the gods was still fresh in my ears. All very nice amps, each with a slightly different flavor. Killer Steel String Singer clone in the Bludo booth. Nik....please clone us one of those too. When I got home, plugged into my S and M. I still love the damn thing...every bit as valid a voice as anything I played today. Also tried a an EV Theile box and 12-65 oval backed cabs. My Two Rock 12-65 1 12 still my favorite compromise between clean and dirty. Yes, boys and girls, it was a good day.
Nice clip...I love the clean channel on my S and M too. There are a few ways to split the signal, some simpler, some better. Simplest way is to go in series through anything with a stereo out. I did this for years, until I realized I was losing some signal and getting some signal going the wrong way out of the 2 amps. Problem was solved last week by getting a quality signal splitter, that has transformers, etc to avoid those problems. It's especially nice to blend clean signal on one amp with overdrive of other, or two different overdrives. Santana does that these days with a Boogie and a Dumble, Bonamassa does it with a Marshall and one of 3 different amps, Pevar does it with dozens of combinations, Gillmore did it all the time, etc.. Hard to go back to one amp after you get used to it.
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