Yeah... with Ceriatone the hardest part is the waiting!!! let us know how it goes!

I posted this on the DC30 forum, user Tonequest suggested me to post the same here, since the effect loops are the same to the 18watters. I do not have one, but if the effect loop works the same, this should interesting for you 18 watters!

I managed to do this by using a LineSelector from Boss. Since I see many people asking about this, I will dare to open an specific thread for this.  Here is a layout of the connections:


By alwalt at 2009-09-09

The main idea is to use the EF86 loop as a send/return path. From the TopBoost loop  only use the send signal. This send is mixed then with the EF86 send (via LS2). The both mixed signals -dry go to the effect chain. At last, from the output of the effect chain the mixed effected signal returns to the EF86 Return of the effects loop.

Since the LS2 has a level adjust for each channel, it allows to level the effected signal to prevent volume loss.

I have tested it on band practice and it's working fine. I hope it could help people who wants to share effects on the loops of the DC30...

If you do not like the MV, just bypass it and try the attenuator...
I never liked the way MV works on my DC30, but as Wyatt says there is always something to compromise... Mine is a 15/30 watter and I can barely crank it!

I managed to do this by using a LineSelector from Boss. Since I see many people asking about this, I will dare to open an specific thread for this.  Here is a layout of the connections:


By alwalt at 2009-09-09

The main idea is to use the EF86 loop as a send/return path. From the TopBoost loop  only use the send signal. This send is mixed then with the EF86 send (via LS2). The both mixed signals -dry go to the effect chain. At last, from the output of the effect chain the mixed effected signal returns to the EF86 Return of the effects loop.

Since the LS2 has a level adjust for each channel, it allows to level the effected signal to prevent volume loss.

I have tested it on band practice and it's working fine. I hope it could help people who wants to share effects on the loops of the DC30...

yep, the regular guitar cable... it will do the tip part of the loop... only the send. I asked Nik and he told me there should not be any problem by only using the send from the loop.

Mind the LS2 has an A+B mix mode, AND  an A -> B mode, but it doesn't do the A/B/Y thing wihout laying down and changing the mode (one knob). Having that said, I'll try to explain how it works.

To mix the 2 sends from the amp to one chain of effects with the LS2, you must :

Set the LS2 to the A+B mix mode
Use each of the sends of the amp into A Input and B input
Plug the cable that goes from the LS2 to the effects into the OUT of the LS2. This is where the mixed signal comes out.

Once that signal passes the effects it must return to the amp, already mixed and wet. To do that, you can plug any of the returns on any of the two Y cables into the out of the effect.

This should work fine, but when you plug one of the returns of the Y cable to the amp, you will leave the other Y cable's return unplgged! That's why I suggested using one Y cable one one loop, and one mono cable on the other loop.

Please follow the signal on the layout I posted, this is pretty much it, the olny thing different is that I'm not using a Y cable, but a stereo cable that splts in 2 on a box, wich would be exactly the same.

The way you suggested won't work to share the effect chain on the loop...





A -> B

Mitch reffers as the obvious because is well known the effect loop on the DC30 works slightly different the other effect loops on other amps. Some small research would lead you to find that each channel has an independent effect loop.
The jacks are not SEND and RETURN as you see in most amps. One jack is SEND/RETURN for one channel, and the other jack is for 2nd channel.
You need a Y cable to split the SEND and the RETURN on each channel. You need 2 Y cables to use both loops.

The tip is the send, the ring is the return, the sleeve is ground.

ok. I tested the mixing signals idea, and it worked just fine.  I did some rough layout of it to share. I hope this becomes clearer as a picture, it is an interesting way of using the DC30...
I am using the EF86 effect loop as a send/return, and the TopBoost effect loop just as a send.


By alwalt at 2009-09-09

Man I live in Costa Rica... so I have to deal with shipping no matter if I buy american, malasyan, british or whatever... Yes, I can find some local dealers here, but they are pricey (brand charge + shipping/tax). So, I am more than happy with my DC30, but believe my next amp (if ever!) I will buy from Ceriatone.

Many people are still blinded by marketing campaings of "brands". But we will be always around, those who think you pay for quality, not for a logo on a sh!ty amp. I mean, many of this amps are series pcb production. How come they be so expensive? I believe your prices are more than fair. The shipping, is out fault because we are not your neighbors!!

Bussines is bussines. Keep the lines that really make your time compensated. As been said, a little more info on the website will ease the email handling. You are usually rated 10 on customer service. But that, I believe must count for your REAL customers. I'm still surprised how you take time to answer asap emails.

Selling parts for people to build the amp from scratch, may be easy money, you just put parts on box and ship. But you must await then hundreds of questions. For a guy with one kit, it's a lot of fun. For you, hundreds of guys with kits asking questions...  I'd even consider package 3 as the lower package. Your work is artwork, that's what you do best. And selling those, you'll lower the amount of questions asked....

If my tests goes fine, I'll draw some schematic of what I did. If it doesn't, I'll let you know anyway. A "Y" cable does what my hammond box does, split the signal into send and return. I just use a regular stereo cable for comoddity, throw just one cable to the pedalboard instead of two.

The, I split the signal at the pedalboard. It's like it is a long "Y" cable.

Then I found that if I plug a regular mono cable to  the effect loop on the dc30, only the send signal will flow ("tip"). That becomes handy because I only need the send from the top boost channel. (to mix it at the LS with the send of the EF86 channel).

It took me a while to figure all of this out, will let you know if it works of if it doesn't!

Pretty much is that. Since the loop works send-tip/return-ring/sleeve-ground, I use one stereo cable from the EF86 loop (to have both send and return). But remember I split this signal on a hammond box, the send to the loop A on the LS, the return from the last effect on the chain.
What I'm trying to do is to throw a mono cable from the topboost channel loop  (this would be only tip, the send). This send signal goes to loop B on the Line Selector (that is set to A+B mode, to mix).
Then , from output on the lineselector the mixed signal goes to the effects, and return to the RETURN of the hammond box, then to the EF8 return.

But I use another lineselector in front of the amp, with 2 loops of effects for a clean or dirty setting. I could run also these to the top boost channel or the ef86, but right now I'm bridgin both channels in the amp, I like how big it sounds this way...

The Line Selector is a handy pedal, when you have one you want another inmediately!

It seems to be the ticket. But let me do some test at band practice be sure of it. The LineSelector has 2 independent level control for each of the send signals received. That, and Timefactor being a very good buffer,  (and the eq ) let me compensate a small loss on tone. I run a 6mt stereo cable, so first thing I did was to A/B the signal with/without the effect loop. And so far I've been succesful with the results. I'll keep you in touch, next week I have band practice and some tests will be done!

I run a stero cord out of the EF86 loop on the back of the amp. It goes straight to a hammond box on the pedalboard, that splits the signal into a send and return jack. On that loop I use a TimeFactor delay (great buffer) and a ge7 Monte Allum modded eq.

I like the TF better on the loop than in front of the amp. And use the eq to add some bright to the overall signal.

Now lately, I've doing some experiments mixing things at the effects loop. My latest trick (not tested yet, at least at high volume):

- I bridge both top boost and EF86 channels at the front of the amp
- I added a Boss Line Selector on the loop, that allows me to mix the effect send of both EF86 and top boost channels. The mixed signal goes to the TF and eq
- The whole signal returns trough the stereo cable to the return of the EF86

I tested it this morning and seems to work good, no hum or aditional noise. By doing this, I can bridge or use separate channels on the amp, and share the effects loop for both. I've always loved the way bridged channels sound on this amp.

But using the loop on one of the channels and the other dry (when bridged), always added some flanger effect to the overall tone. That's why I decided to mix both send signals...

Oh wow I did.. it did not took me long to find many people does not recommend that mod.... interest dismissed I would say!
thanks for sharing, thou...

ok thanks... I'll check it out...