Thanks for asking. I’m not a top expert in acoustics but from experience I always (almost) follow a golden rule of “more is better”. If you have 50w amp or 100w you will be happy with 100+ w speaker. For me EV and fane AXA12 would be the top choices. Both has loads of bass which is great in open back cab and their sensitivity are also high : 100 and 101 db. They are great for any style as well.
I don’t have any experience with Altec 417-8C, sorry.
D*mble style Master Volumes aren't as intuitive as a typical one.
For maximum clean headroom on the clean channel, the idea is to set the Master Volume around 11-12 o'clock and the Volume between 12-3 o'clock.
If that doesn't work, it would't be a bad idea to double-check bias.
+1 !!!
Golden rule for 6L6 clean master volume amps is – volume on 11, master on 3 and find the sweet spot with bias between 30 – 35 ma (mv). Than take volume to 12 or 1 o’clock and master on 11-12. Set overdrive to taste and it will be as smooth as silk.
I hope you’ve seen this clip already. If not this is D’lite bluesmaster HRM amp demo with clean, drive and loads of drive. Ceriatone can sound exactly like this with proper inner trimmer settings. Also please pay attention when Billy talks about changing 6L6s to 6V6s and tube- transformer primary impedance mismatch – NO GOOD! For 6V6’s you need matched trany to get proper tone!!!
Not as smooth as OTS but more SRV, Mayer territory.
I have used all EVM12-L, G12-65 and Celestion Gold and the winner is ...The Celestion Gold
Does anyone have experience pairing the Gold with any other speakers in the Celestion range with an ODS-type amp?
I have decided on a Gold for half of a 212 and am not sure what to put in the other side. I'm aiming for tonal flexibility; smooth lead tones, crisp sparkly cleans, Keef style crunch etc.. Sadly my location precludes any brands besides Celestion and Jensen.
Any thoughts? (Sorry to hijack, still in the theme of the thread I hope.)
C~
Probably Vintage 30, G12-65 or best of all another Gold.
Thats an interesting list Doc and I was wondering if you've had chance to try the new Tayden speakers , especially the alnico's. I have an EVM-12L curently paired with an Eminence Tonespotter in an open backed 2x12 and a G12-65 in my DC-30 combo. I need to spend some time moving speakers around as I have an Eminence Texas Heat spare, but I think this isn't the speaker to pair up with the EV, I need an alnico I think, probably will be a Gold.
No Hywel I never tried Tyden. What is it?
Alnico would be perfect combination with EV in 2x12 cabinet! Just make sure that sensitivity is similar 100db. Probably Fane AXA12 would be perfect because it has milder highs and sensitivity is 101db. Also coats less then gold.
Deafcat, I like what you said about the Celestions being lifeless. To me they sound like playing through cardboard... Totally lifeless, muffled and tinny.
I’m sorry but this is wrong statement. Some celestions are not good enough for OTS but nothing compares to Blue, Gold (12” and 10”) and Century range. G12-65s need about 24 hours brake in period and after that they sound great. It’s also depends on the cabinet you use, 1x12, 2x12, open or closed back front ported and so on. To test the speaker it should be in the cab, on your face level or in the sound proof room closely miced up and auditioned from the good PA (best test). I’ve tried almost any existing Celestion, Jensen and Eminence speakers (it is my job! We build cabinets) side by side in similar cabs with a,b,c,d switch box and best speakers FOR OTS!!!!! Are:
1. Fane AXA12 alnico 2. Electro Voice 3. Jensen Jet Tornado 4. Celestion Gold 5. Tone tubby 6. Celestion Century 7. Celestion century vintage 8. Celestion G12-65 9. Eminence Wizard 10. Emi cannabis Rex
Today I made some clips with the different coupling caps.
All dlators have no fx in the loop except for the favourite_dlator clip. Recording was done with a condenser mic at 6 1/2/feet(2 meter). Hum you hear is: neon light picked up by my strat.
I like orange drops (1st clip), your old dlator and last one is great, lovely playing too. In all clips clean take distorts on highs, can be a recording fault. Cheers mate.
really like the Centuries aswell, very chimey and bright. Might need to get my hands on one of those.
Hywel my man,
Nice to hear from you. Unfortunately Celestion discontinued production of Century and it’s almost impossible to get 8 ohm version. Some internet shops still have 16 ohm ones which probably is better for OTS because of 16 ohm out. Also tone would be mellower and fuller, less loud though.
I hear the difference. The 2x12 is more boomy, which is probably fine for live playing.
I would defenitely cut that extra low out (with a 100Hz-150Hz high pass), when mixing that 2x12 guitar sound into a track with bass and drums.
So FWIW the 1x12 makes more sence in a studio setup, IMO.
Thanks Fenderman,
I guess you are right about low boom. It’s great in live situation and I’m also addicted to lower frequencies. Used to play a bass tube amp (Ampeg) for guitar about three years. Can’t do it any more – to much gear to carry around. Yes 1x12 front loaded Dumble type cab is optimal for a studio I guess.
I like the 2x12 best. What's your opinion on the smoother character, what's causing it besides size?
Hi Erwin,
It’s interesting question! Same speakers, mic placement, amp and recording settings are similar. Probably two speakers interact, especially high frequencies and they cancel each other on some extent where the mic is. Or more stronger lower frequencies are dumping higher ones. In my cabs the baffle is recessed on 7 cm from the front grill which contributes to more intense frequency interaction. They are great for live situation but for recording most accurate cab can be frontloaded 1x12 EV or Fane AXA bass reflex closed back cabinets. I’ll try it soon and post the results.
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