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271  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: ots troubles on: November 12, 2009, 08:13:50 AM
Hi Tim,

My suggestion was not the check ground on the 05 cap, but instead to check if the cathode resistors (2.2) and caps (5 uF) were grounded. however, judging by your new V1 and V2 pin8 voltages of 1.7 and 1.8 volts. It now looks like the cathodes are grounded, so forget about that.  Wink

Just to make sure the signal is ok......can you hear the noise level (in the speakers) go up, when you engage the OD? From your description above, I would guess you can.

My suspicion is the wiring of the input jack socket, which can be a little tricky, with various connectors and all. For testing purposes, you could try to solder another (simpler) jack socket with a piece of shielded cable direct to pin2 on V1 and ground. Obviously, if that works, your chassis mounted jacksocket is wired wrong.  Cool



272  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: problems posting pics on: November 12, 2009, 06:52:55 AM
Thats not the only problem:

You post about voltages: http://ceriatoneforum.com/index.php?topic=1401.0
is messed up somehow. I cannot open it.


273  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: finished...are these voltages ok? on: November 11, 2009, 04:02:48 PM
Check the wiring to pin 8 and V1, V2, and V3

Are the 5uF + 2,2k properly grounded??

Check with you ohm meter from " - " on the 5uF cap to ground
274  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: finished...are these voltages ok? on: November 11, 2009, 07:42:57 AM
Did you try to change V1,V2,V3 tubes with something you know it works?
If you crank the Volume knob, ... is the noise level the same or it changes with more volume?
When you measured the plate voltages, did you hear any click sound coming out your speaker?... Especially when measuring the V3 tube.


I've tried 6 different tubes (all new)
there is no noise at all... dead quite
yes I heard noise when taking voltages
I've checked and double checked input wiring and it seems to be ok
I don't know what to do next
Thanks for helping

Tim
Check te wiring on the cathodes (pin Cool on V 1,2, 3.
Maybee you have colder joints?? Search for the error in this area
275  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: finished...are these voltages ok? on: November 10, 2009, 08:38:45 AM
Thanks I'll check again in the morning
The preamp tubes were glowing when I took the measurements
a 12ax7 is ok for the pi tube or is it a different tube that I need?

12ax7 is correct
276  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: finished...are these voltages ok? on: November 10, 2009, 07:14:48 AM
Finished building my OTS
started it up with a current limiter and it looked good so I fired it up
no sound ...so I'm hoping some of you fine gents can help me out

V1 pin1=193   pin3=1.8   pin6=202   pin8.001
V2 pin1=200   pin3=1.9   pin6=207   pin8=.001
V3 pin1=301   pin3=59   pin6=301    pin8=.001
V4 pin3=463   pin4=461   pin5=54   pin6=463   pin8=.039
V5 pin3=463   pin4=462   pin5=54.5   pin6=463   pin8=.027

The bias on v5 is 27 and v4 is 39
Is this normal to be that far apart?
I'm guessing the low numbers on pin8 of v1,2 and 3 is the reason for no sound
I'm still learning the ropes so please take it easy on me
Thanks for any help
Tim

Anode voltages are fine:
Those are the voltages measured on pin 1 and 6 on the tues V1,V2 and V3
hereto pin 3 and 4 on tubes V4 and V5.

Your cathode voltages are falulty
Those voltages on pin 8 on V1,V2 and V3 looks like your haven't connected these at all - Check again. Do the preamp tubes glow? do they have proper heating voltage between pi 4/5 and 9??

Bias
Is very far apart - maybe your V4 and V5 tubes are not properly matched, but if they don't hum or otherwise sound funny, you can keep using untill you get around to buying new ones.
277  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Which Amp? on: November 03, 2009, 07:51:51 AM
You could browse the sound clips to hone in on the amp tone you like and take it from there:

http://ceriatoneforum.com/index.php?topic=29.0

278  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Presence for brightness on: November 02, 2009, 03:47:43 PM
Bump

@erwin_ve

OK, paralel the presence pot with a 470 ohm resistor and ad a 1,8 k resistor in series.
This will put the 8-10 on the old pot range across the whole pot range. In effect making 8='1' on the pot range  and  10='10' on the scale. 
279  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Choke wires? on: November 02, 2009, 03:46:17 PM
No
280  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Presence for brightness on: November 02, 2009, 03:14:19 PM
ah ok
srange, if you look at RF's Dumble. His Presence is mostly around noon I think.
who knows what value his potmeter is or maybe his amp has a resistor put in series with the pot, which limit/zooms its range to the 'working' range of a standard amp. Hence, it starts at '7' (on your amp) and ends on '10'
Could be
Adding a resistor in series with the excisting pot is getting your range further away from the sweet spot.
Decreasing the value of the presence pot or increasing the LNFB resistor would be a option to have more control in the sweet spot IMO.

Steven don't be like that :-) you know what I mean.

OK, paralel the presence pot with a 470 ohm resistor and ad a 1,8 k resistor in series.
This will put the 8-10 on the old pot range across the whole pot range. In effect making 8='1' on the pot range  and  10='10' on the scale.
281  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Presence for brightness on: November 02, 2009, 01:30:17 PM
ah ok
srange, if you look at RF's Dumble. His Presence is mostly around noon I think.

who knows what value his potmeter is or maybe his amp has a resistor put in series with the pot, which limit/zooms its range to the 'working' range of a standard amp. Hence, it starts at '7' (on your amp) and ends on '10'

Could be
282  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Power Scaling the Overtone Special with London Power's SB-1 Kit on: November 02, 2009, 09:02:45 AM
Nice thread...  Wink

...to be honest here, I never had an urge to do something like that. To me MV on these amps works better than most of the MV amps out there... but like you said, it gets even better when you crank that MV pot.
For now I'm staying with my Champ... but I'm glad this worked out for you... nice mod.
 Wink


+1 - Don't really see the point in adding power scaling to a Dumble, which has a great low gain overdrive tone for a master volume amp. However, on a Marshall or Fender amp, I would find it usefull.
As always beauty is in the eye of the beholder - and if you're happy with your amps tone then thats great.
283  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Presence for brightness on: November 02, 2009, 08:58:23 AM
I made an interesting observation. I have a regular OTS ad one of Erwins D-lators.
Used a Kleinulator before that.
I always felt the amp lacked some brightness when using a fx loop like the Klein or D-lator. Using the Bright swicth makes the whole sound thinner and it's not realy usable with the OD
I have learned (with help from Erwin) that the amp brightens up a lot when you add more Presence. I wasn't to keen on using a lot of presence cause it adds attack and I like a fairly mild attack, but it does wonders for the sound. It takes away that blanket over the speaker thing.
The thing I do notice is that this doesn't seem to be a gradual effect. It start to work on about 7. (we checked the presence pot is linear)
what are you views on this?
Steven
My presence know starts working at around '8' - and that where I think the sweet sound is.

Some amp builders like Henry Heisthl, Red plate amps, use a 'fixed' presence,  soldering in a resistor instead of the presence pot, with an ohmage value amounting to the presence pots ohm value at '8'.

I guess Dumble's accent switch, on his 70s amps, works in a similar fashion.
284  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone Soundclips on: October 31, 2009, 06:29:41 PM
And big SORRY for my singing!

Your singing is quite allright bluesband singing (I play in a bluesband myself). Don't be shy about it!
We cant all be John Mayer or whoever.
285  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone Soundclips on: October 31, 2009, 02:28:03 PM
Hi,
Me and Pete Wood (Woody) having a little jam on Little Wing.
I play Fuchs ODS 30 ad Woody plays my OTS. Hope you enjoy.
Cheers

I like the feel of your playing. Reminds me of the feeling in Jimi's live recordings. Great swinging band by the way.
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