I'm not familiair with the GT-10 but generaly. Distortion wah wah etc go in front of the amp into the guitar input. Chorus delay and reverb go into the loop of the amp.

I used a G Sharp (cheap and sounds good) for my loop and a number of pedals (wah distorion) in front. Works very well!

Don't put distortion in the loop
It should go in front of the amp!

Hi Dave
do you notice that the fx are serial. So the clean signal is unaffected (no tone suck etc)?
Enough level in the loop?

Hi Guys

I have a TC Electronic G-Sharp. Sounds pretty good, but you can't set the volume level of individual presets. I use this to change from rythm to lead sounds.

I decided to order a Rocktron Xpression. It has an internal parallel routing (mixer). So your direct sginal doesn't go through an A/D converter, but stays analog straight to the output. Only the effect passes through the processing.

Any expereriences with this or comparable (Intellifex) units?

Cheers
Steven

Hi

I notice some nice feedback on that clip. How loud did you play?

Cheers
Steven

Observation

Louder=less fizz?

hmm yeah interesting. I always seem to turn the volume on the guitar up to 10. I think the sound of the guitar is not as good when you turn down the volume.

glad this topic is alive.
I was experimenting as well. adding a bit of bass (6 or 7) seems to help a bit.

I usually set my volume and gain to 4 with my Tele and Strat. With humbuckers I need to turn the volume down to 3.

It is strange that nothing happens at all. At least you should get a sginal. The difference with or without the Kleinulator has a lot to do with level. It shoukd work wthout the Klein though.
Are you sure you have it connected the right way?

I agree those last two amp with the grill cloth look absolutely great. You know those amps sounds just right :-)

The Manual:


1) About the Klein-ulator
In early spring of 2007, I decided I wanted to build a certain rare, expensive, and Californian amplifier, and I began to go
through the previous years of research I had done. Pictures, schematics, even conversations I had read became fair game.
Keep in mind, this was before I discovered some of the great internet forums dedicated to building these types of amplifiers. In
any case, I came across a design for tube-driven effects loop interface. It was designed for use with the passive serial effects
loops in these incredible amplifiers. I quickly decided that I too needed to build one of these tube effects loop buffers.
Unfortunately, design parameters plagued the process. I couldn’t find a transformer of the same size and mounting, and the
unit’s power supply was still a mystery. About a month after I decided I HAD to have one, the project was temporarily shelved.
A few weeks later, I realized that I might be able to come up with a solid-state version that performed similarly, but was
much easier and inexpensive to build. After some brain-storming, I posted a schematic and layout of a working Klein-ulator in
the public domain. While the freeware unit works great, I knew I could make it better.
I redesigned and tested new ideas over the next year, and even had the opportunity to compare it to a D*****-based tube
effects loop buffer I built (thanks to various individuals who helped me procure parts). Once I was able to compare it to an
“actual” unit, I was able to change a few things to improve the design further. Upon careful testing, it became clear that the two
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designs (one tube and one solid-state) performed shockingly similarly. Both units smoothed the tone in a very pleasing
manner, and added a perceived “3D” effect to single note lines. Both could be used to overdrive an amplifier’s phase inverter
for lush and very complex tones. I was also able craft the solid-state unit’s frequency response to the same as the tube unit.
Most importantly, both units allowed the successful use of effects in an amplifier’s passive effects loop.
While the Klein-ulator is not meant as a “replacement” for the tube-driven units, I think you’ll find it performs quite well. I
hope you enjoy it!
- mwk 7/08
2) Connecting the Klein-ulator to your amplifier
On the rear panel of the Klein-ulator, you will see six items
- INPUT (¼” jack)
- SEND (¼” jack)
- RETURN (¼” jack)
- OUTPUT (¼” jack)
- 9V (2.1mm jack, center negative. “Boss-style”)
- ON (2-way toggle switch)
First, connect a suitable 9V power supply to the Klein-ulator “9V” jack. The proper size and orientation is 2.1mm, center
negative. This is the standard pedal power jack format.
Second, connect a cable from your amplifier’s EFFECT LOOP SEND / PREAMP OUT to the Klein-ulator’s INPUT.
Third, connect a cable from the Klein-ulator’s SEND to your effect unit’s INPUT.
Fourth, connect a cable from your effect unit’s OUTPUT to the Klein-ulator’s RETURN.
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Finally, connect a cable from the Klein-ulator’s OUTPUT to your amplifier’s EFFECTS LOOP RETURN / POWERAMP
IN.
NOTE – you can run the Klein-ulator without any effects and still get its nice tone-shaping impact. Just don’t plug a
cable into either SEND or RETURN on the Klein-ulator, and follow the instructions above. The jacks and wiring method
employed will internally switch the two jacks together if nothing is plugged into them.
3) Controls
On the top face of the Klein-ulator, there are five items
- SEND
- BRIGHT I
- RETURN
- RECOVERY
- BRIGHT II
SEND adjusts the volume sent from your amplifier’s preamp to your effects. With SEND turned all the way up, the
control is at unity gain. In many cases, this is too high and will cause your effects to overload. Try setting SEND
between 12:00 and 3:00.
BRIGHT I is a high-frequency boost that can be used to add sparkle to your tone coming from the preamp, or
compensate for an overly dark amplifier or long, low quality interconnect cables. This high frequency boost is more
prominent as SEND is turned down.
RETURN adjusts the volume sent from your effects coming back into the Klein-ulator. Unless your effect unit produces
an extremely hot signal, set this control at maximum (approximately 5:00).
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RECOVERY is a gain stage that is used to make up any lost volume from turning down the volume at SEND or
RETURN. It "recovers" volume, hence the name. You can also turn this control up to overdrive your amp's PI for
pleasing harmonic grit. With the previous settings, try setting RECOVERY at 12:00-3:00.
BRIGHT II is a high-frequency boost that can be used to add sparkle to your tone coming from your effects unit, or
compensate for long, low quality interconnect cables. This frequency boost is purposefully subtle, and will become less
subtle as RECOVERY is turned down.
4) Frequently Asked Questions
Can I play with the internal trimpot? I like to tweak my tone!
- NO! This trimpot is factory-set for optimal performance out of your Klein-ulator. Do not adjust this trimmer – it
augments a critical function point of the Klein-ulator.
My rack-mounted effect unit seems to work okay without a buffer, but my pedals sound bad without one. What’s the deal?
- Generally, what you’re hearing is a significant mismatching of impedances, and/or an overloading of the effect
unit itself. Most rack-mount units have different input impedance than pedals, and thus can sometimes
function fine without a buffer before them. In addition, some of these rack-mounted effects can pad the
volume they receive, preventing it from overloading. Pedals do not have proper input impedance or padding
ability, and therefore do not play nicely. For best results, an effects loop unit like the Klein-ulator or D*****-
ator should be used in a passive, serial effects loop when any effects (rack-mounted or pedal) are desired. It
prevents impedance mismatching, as well as provides the ability to pad down the volume sent to the effects
units hence preventing any overloading.
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What power supply do I need?
- There are many great power supplies on the market, but I highly recommend the Boss PSA-120. Just be
sure to get one with a 2.1mm and center negative tip. This is the “standard” pedal power supply topology.
200mA is more than sufficient current supply. 9V only!
What settings do you recommend?
- Start with nothing in the SEND and RETURN jacks on the Klein-ulator. Set the SEND control @ 3:00,
RETURN control @ 5:00 (max), and RECOVERY control @ 2:30. Plug in your effect unit, and adjust the
controls as necessary.
My amplifier sounds slightly darker with the Klein-ulator. What’s the deal?
- The original D*****-ator imparted a natural smoothing of the high-end, and it became highly sought-after for
that characteristic. The Klein-ulator is not intended to be transparent, rather mimic the frequency response of
the original D*****-ator. If you miss that high end, you can experiment with the Bright switches, but that’s no
fun.
Why isn’t there a battery jack if it can run off 9V?
- Imagine having your entire signal from your preamp disappear because a 9V battery withered away mid-song.
This choice is an issue of pragmatics more than feasibility.
Why solid-state and not tube?
- Really, why not? Keep in mind, the tube in the D*****-ator serves two purposes: 1) cathode follower, and 2)
recovery gain stage. I encourage anyone to weigh the benefits of a tube-based design in this context. I am
the first to admit that tubes work great in this application, but I also think there are other viable alternatives. I
honestly feel like each has its own pros and cons in this situation, and I tried to maximize the pros and
minimize the cons of a solid-state design. For the naysayers/as a fun-fact...if you doubt the performance of a
JFET as a buffer, you might ask yourself why D***** built a JFET buffer into Larry Carlton's Sho-Bud volume
pedal.

I have that with woman
Unfortunatly it's a one way thing   

Classic!
Looks stunning.

I think the Klein is usefull (and cheap)

A: it changes the tone of the amp. Makes it a bit "sweeter" less harsh without cutting the highs.

B: Delay, chorus and reverbn work best in de effect loop of an amp. The Klein enables you to put more signal into the reverb/delay/chorus. (With modern effects this might not be necesarry but with My G-sharp it is) The Klein also sets the output level of the effects back in to the amp.
All in all I'd recommend it to everybody with an OTS.

I was fidling around with it today. I had a lot of hum as well
what I did was this:

- I sent the SEND level as high as possible. The leds of my G-Sharp almost went into the red. Now I was having unwanted distorion, so I turned down the RETRUN untuil the distoprtion was gone. Then I turned up the Rcovery till the needed volume level.
all in all my settings are:
send: max
return: 1-2 oclcok
Recovery: 1-2 o'clock

Now I have no hi and no distorion.
Look at my last pic in the " Completed Overtone Build Pics" Topic.
send me a PM if you want to hear more.