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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Kleinulator switch wont stay in on position and even if I hold it there, nothing
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on: August 19, 2011, 12:59:07 AM
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I posted an ad on here saying I wanted a kleinulator. A guy named Tod Wilcox answered via email and said he had one. We agreed on a price of $90 and he shipped it to me. I got it today and to my dismay the on/off switch will not stay in the on position. I's like it's spring loaded to return right back to the off position once you let go if that makes since. Even if I hold it in the on position the light doesn't come on and no sound comes from the amp. Anyone have any ideas what could be going on here?
Also, does anyone know this Tod Wilcox guy? I "gifted" him the money, and now he's like "oh yeah just send it back and I'll return your money". This sux!
Yeah, I know him quite well. First, I think dealing with him privately would be much more appropriate since he has and is communicating with you. I know for a fact that this unit was in perfect working condition. However it is quite possible that it was abused by the shipper and the switch has been broken. These things happen. Do you have a DMM? If you don't want to send it back and you want to keep it you could check the switch to see if it is within the switch and then make a decision based on that. But all this should be discussed with between you two. Edit: This was written before your second post
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: new member, point me in the correct overtone direction
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on: August 18, 2011, 05:31:19 PM
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Wow, thank you everyone for all the help in getting this baby going. Its firing on all six cylinders and sounding monstrous.
I started with a pair of Winged C 6L6's and tungsol 12ax7's. After a half hour of playing, my keys fell on the amp and since the head wasn't finished yet, smashed one of the brand new winged C's. FML!! So for now I have a pair of JJ's in the power section.
She is sounding good. I haven't had too much time to play it lately due to life happenings but I am really excited about it. Still figuring out how to tweak everything but it all sounds awesome.
Thank you so much everyone, it is truly appreciated.
Scott
ps- i will update later when the cab is finished looking good.
Cool!! They sure are a joy. Sorry to hear about the broken tube. I know the whole time I was using mine without a head cab, I was dreading breaking tubes.
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What pedals are you guys using with your Overtones?
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on: August 18, 2011, 05:26:28 PM
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In the loop of a Clator is a TC 2290 and in the loop of the 2290 is a BYOC Reverb Pedal In front is a Dan Armtrong Orange Squeeze Clone > Xotic BB Preamp > sometimes a Big Muff Clone > BYOC Envelope Filter > Univibe Clone>Amp I need to get a Wah real bad.
I have a vox wah I'll sell you. Thanks, but I just haven't got around to either bulding one or replace my Fulltone Clyde.
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: How to get xxxx's Tone from xxxx Song, through your OTS Settings/Pedals Thread
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on: August 17, 2011, 08:30:45 PM
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nice sound man. What was your guitar volume set on? How bout amp EQ? Also, how hard is it to adjust the OD trim?
OD channel with no PAB OD trim @ 10:30 Volume: 6 Drive: 4 Level: 3 Treble: 6 Mid: 4.5 Bass: 3 Presence: 8 I had the guitar's volume up pretty much full. The SC pup's in my guitar are proned to needing to be up pretty full or just slightly lower or else they get rather lifeless. I usually don't have the presence turned up that high, but in this case I did. One thing to understand is that my amp is somewhat different than yours. For instance, there is an OD trim on the back as well as inside on the board. Generally speaking it's my feeling that less is more with these amps. Setting gain lower is usually better than higher. I imagine that all these things are on a amp to amp basis. Based on the exact circuit and what tubes, etc. are used. What Todd posted is a good place to start. I think most set their OD trim to be about 20K to 25K from the wiper to ground. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What pedals are you guys using with your Overtones?
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on: August 17, 2011, 03:27:30 AM
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In the loop of a Clator is a TC 2290 and in the loop of the 2290 is a BYOC Reverb Pedal
In front is a
Dan Armtrong Orange Squeeze Clone > Xotic BB Preamp > sometimes a Big Muff Clone > BYOC Envelope Filter > Univibe Clone>Amp
I need to get a Wah real bad.
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Website, Store / Suggestions / Re: Lower powered Overtone style
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on: August 14, 2011, 09:46:35 PM
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Actually, since the C-lator injects the signal in front of the PI, it works as a Pre Phase Inverter Master Volume. If you set your Clean Pre amp to around 5 and your Clean Master to somewhere between 8-10 the preamp section will hardly be overdriven at all. Now, the voltage and current increases through your the PI and Power Tubes, and will begin to compress (distort) a bit. Raising the output on the C-Lator then injects signal into the PI, and any signal entering will be compressed. Conversely, you can lower your Master, and crank the Output on the C-Lator and drive the PI very hard and turn your master up to the level you want and enjoy a different type of distortion. The PI is actually part of the Power Amp section, and in non master volume amps when you crank them, you hear a combination of pre amp, PI, power tube, and of course speaker distortion. True power tube saturation is hard to achieve except on lower powered Class A amps, or sometimes on lower powered Class AB amps. Having an OTS or any amp with a simple insert loop gives us the oppurtunity to experience true power tube saturation by using a device like a C-Lator to turn the master up, saturate the tubes, and then control the amount of signal and thus the volume nicely. Of course, speaker distortion is not present, but I'm not the biggest fan of speaker distortion anyway
First let me say that I don't disagree with much of what you are saying here. (Although I do not agree 100%) When I hear someone talk about getting a tube amp to sound like a cranked tube amp, but at bedroom levels (whatever that means) I just don't think it's possible. I'm not even necessarily talking about power tube saturation, but more the fullness of the dynamic range that is achieved. I just finished building my dlator and experimenting extensively this week and no matter how you cut it, it's always a matter of "robbing Peter to pay Paul" sort of thing. As soon as you turn down whatever level to bring the volume down to low levels all the "fullness and open air dynamics" start to get lost. I still love the Dlator for the fact that you can hit the PI harder (or sometimes not) and get another level of gain to play with and smooth things even further. Also when cranking the amp it gives even more control. Plus it is still nice to have the lower level control that you do get...and also the main purpose of being a buffer. Basically, it's all an over simplification because it's everything from the preamp to the power to the speakers that make that cranked amp sound, sound so great. And the thing is, I'm not even talking about ear blistering levels, just that point where it comes alive. Which has always been in my experience, a level that most wifes, kids, neighbors, and basically non-guitarists find to be "too loud".  That's why I say "screw em"....play it louder!!  Just to clarify, I don't think hitting the PI harder with Dlator necessarily transfers to driving the power tubes the same way as driving the whole amp circuit from input to output hard.
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Website, Store / Suggestions / Re: Lower powered Overtone style
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on: August 14, 2011, 05:28:52 PM
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Sorry, you are not driving the power amp section hard if you are turning down with a C-lator, it becomes a new master. Since the tones and crunch are developed in the pre-amp, turning down with a C-lator (or your amp's master) allows you have your sound at any lower volume. Power amp only gets driven hard if you play LOUD or use an attenuator between amp and speaker..... I have to agree with this for the most part. The C-lator does give another level of tone shaping, but it's going to be in the preamp. Nothing will substitutes cranking an amp, but cranking the amp.  The attenuator does help get you there, but I was never really impressed with the results using them with most amps. Even a low wattage amp is relatively loud once cranked to its sweet spot. But overall I would say a lower wattage amp is the best solution.
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone Soundclips
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on: August 06, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
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Sounds very nice, erwin. So your "BM clean w/standard OD mod" is mod that was used on this amp? Once again, nice job. 
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