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196  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: power tranny on: May 05, 2012, 06:31:28 AM
Mercury Makes a Drop in replacement for the OTS Series. It's a lil pricey, though.
197  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: HRM Bluesmaster setup advice on: May 02, 2012, 01:18:24 PM


I'll be tweaking the HRM trimmers this weekend a little more and I've made note to bump the mids and turn the treble down as silly me, I did all my sound checks only on the jazz setting. Sounds a little too trebly on rock.

 

Can you share your trimmer settings and how you decided on them? I'm really struggling with the OD channel on my Bluesmaster. Thanks!

The trimmer settings have to be set according to you ears and what you like. there is no standard setting per se


gregg

I can dig that, just hoping for some advice with a starting point. I bought by Bluesmaster used, so I'm not really sure that the trimmers were set anywhere in the ballpark of a usable tone in the first place. It doesn't sound very good right now. It's pretty harsh and constricted, with out the normal controlled feedback I'd expect from a D-style amp.

Well, set your OD trim on the rear to between 10 o clock and noon. Set the HRM tonestack to default values which would be bass barely on, and treble and mid to between 10 o clock and 11 o clock. Set your clean tonestack to taste, and be sure to use the PAB when you use the OD. This is how it is designed to be used. Adjust the drive, OD trim, and HRM stack to taste.

Gregg
198  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bluesmaster50 - BUILD RESURRECTED AGAIN>>AND AGAIN>>AND ONE LAST TIME!!! on: May 02, 2012, 05:44:23 AM
The OD trim is the knob on the middle of the rear panel, right next to the standby switch it may not be marked if it is an older rear panel, and in your pics it is def turned all the way down.
199  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: HRM Bluesmaster setup advice on: May 02, 2012, 02:39:59 AM


I'll be tweaking the HRM trimmers this weekend a little more and I've made note to bump the mids and turn the treble down as silly me, I did all my sound checks only on the jazz setting. Sounds a little too trebly on rock.

 

Can you share your trimmer settings and how you decided on them? I'm really struggling with the OD channel on my Bluesmaster. Thanks!

The trimmer settings have to be set according to you ears and what you like. there is no standard setting per se


gregg
200  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: HRM Bluesmaster setup advice on: May 02, 2012, 02:37:50 AM
Thanks Gregg,

I had my BM modded to have a 100k pot to adjust the PAB volume, so in theory if I crank it up at about 80%, that should get enough signal and produce the same sort of result? The boost in volume I'd imagine would be quite big.

I'll be tweaking the HRM trimmers this weekend a little more and I've made note to bump the mids and turn the treble down as silly me, I did all my sound checks only on the jazz setting. Sounds a little too trebly on rock.

The tonestack bypass mod I have on the amp too, but from the sounds of it, you're partially lifting the tonestack, where as I'm completely bypassing it. I might try put in either a 250k pot or 100k pot where the existing switch is, to try get it to partially lift and get it to middle grounds.

Well, you will get more gain than the stock 68k, but not as much as lifting the tonestack completely. It's a good start, though.

If i was to put a pot on the HRM bypass, i would put a 50k pot with a 100r resistor on one leg, that way you will have the stock 100r value and be able to adjust within a 50k range. as 33k seems to work pretty well
201  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bypassed HRM volume jump UPDATED!!!! on: May 02, 2012, 02:28:58 AM
Ya. I actually talked to Nik about the possibility of building me an SSS with a BM tonestack and PI. He sails that would be no problem. I think it would be pretty cool. A BM with footswitchable FET to push the front end, and the filter section, and built in reverb, with no OD. I just don't know if I can do 100 watts. Most of the lil gigs I play don't even like my 50 watter and I think the SSS would have to be cranked to sound its best, even with the BM PI in there. At least I know it can be done

Gregg

I've played both a real 150w Dumble Steel String Singer, and a clone of one (Bludotone High plains), both amps had different circuits but with 150w 6550 equiped pwr sections. The volume was fine, the huge power section just gives the amp more girth, volume is never an issue. You won't have to push the amp to get the goods. With that said, a 100w amp should be just as fine, just not as girthy sounding because of the 6L6's


That's actually very encouraging!! Thanks, Greg!
202  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bluesmaster50 - BUILD RESURRECTED AGAIN>>AND AGAIN>>AND ONE LAST TIME!!! on: May 01, 2012, 02:14:41 PM
Ok, Gregg got here while I was typing.  Tongue

Yeah, what he said.  Wink

LOL great minds think alike

Gregg
203  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: HRM Bluesmaster setup advice on: May 01, 2012, 02:12:05 PM
Okay, another update... Trying to keep my tone chasing progress in this single thread as I started wondering into other people's threads

In addition to the change of tubes, speakers as previously mentioned, know now done the following;

- adjusted the internal HRM trim pots
- placed a mxr 6 band EQ in the FX loop
- tested the LNFB switch which I actually forgot about!

Of all of the above, I must say that the HRM tonestack adjustment was the most affective. The change was rather big as I tested it with the PAB and OD channel on from time to time to listen for the changes. The EQ in the loop and in the front obviously changed the amps tone, but I found myself preferring the OD channel without it. Just sounded more "fat" as opposed to the EQ, it sounded either thin or too muddy because of the boost in mids. Just didn't sound natural to me, and it also messed around with them amazing cleans on the BM.

Played with the LNFB switch a little today, but the change was very subtle. Not sure if i need to retweak everything again to get the most out of it, but I might have more time this weekend to do so. As mentioned in another thread, I've found that tweaking this amp requires very small adjustments and some controls are very subtle. A good example is the presence and pull bright switch on the volume control. Winding the presence from nil to max doesn't immediately sound different on the clean, but you notice a certain brightness on the OD which can make it sound harsh.....

Not quite sure where to go from here in search of those dumble OD tones...



Sounds like you are on the right track!!
Here's a couple of things to consider. Most of the professionally recorded tracks we hear have gone thru post processing by the time we hear them. Compressors, EQ, etc. Even some of the member clips will be recorded with a compressor in front of the amp and quite a few have very short delay to fatten the sound up a bit. i have read that Ford, Carlton, and others use some type of OD pedal in front of the amp, so the sound we hear isn't fully Dumble.

As far as the BM, it has less mids than the rest of the OTS series. The HRM helps to make up for this, and you can boost the miss quite a bit with it, especially if you run it with the PAB as it was designed. The OD section is very different, though, different values and what not, no snubbers on V2, etc. Also the PI is different from the rest which makes it sounds differently from the rest as well.

One suggestion i can make is to try a 22M resistor on the PAB, it was how the BM was originally designed, and it sounds so much better with it. More signal gets into the OD section, and into the HRM stack and into the PI, really changes the OD as a whole. Since going back to the 22M resistor on the PAB, and using the HRM stack or bypassing it with a 33k resistor instead of lifting it completely from ground i hardly turn the drive up past 4 these days, and i just sings and sings, but it still sounds very bluesy, not overly crunchy or "metally" if that makes sense. It certainly makes the amp fatter and helps to tighten things up all at the same time.

Gregg
204  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bluesmaster50 - BUILD RESURRECTED AGAIN>>AND AGAIN>>AND ONE LAST TIME!!! on: May 01, 2012, 05:29:32 AM
Make sure that the pedals by the footswitch plug are in the pedal position and make sure you have your OD trim at about noon to start with. Also, if you have the HRM engaged try it with the PAB and the OD at the same time. That's a good starting point. If you still have no OD and the lights on the footswitch also aren't working, could be a problem with the relays

Gregg
205  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bluesmaster50 - BUILD RESURRECTED AGAIN>>AND AGAIN>>AND ONE LAST TIME!!! on: April 29, 2012, 03:43:21 AM
Looks good! They did a good job building it. Like Chris said, the only issue i can see, is some wire dress issues, but i wold fire it up and seee how it sounds before worrying too much about it

Gregg
206  Ceriatone / SSS / Re: SSS - indication of interest on: April 27, 2012, 11:44:41 AM
the countdown is on until mine ships...  right nik??  Wink  now someone buy my ots

Very cool, Webb. Hopefully someone will buy your OTS. By the way saw the thread over on TGP where you announced how happy you were to be ordering the SSS. Wowsers!!! Shocked

Gregg
207  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Tube rectifier in OTS - possible?? on: April 27, 2012, 07:09:48 AM
The OTS transformer doesn't have the necessary 5v tap for a tube rectifier. You can add on a 5v transformer and wire it up that way, or alternatively torres engineering makes a few add on kits with transformers and switches sockets, etc

Gregg
208  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bypassed HRM volume jump UPDATED!!!! on: April 26, 2012, 12:41:06 PM
Ya. I actually talked to Nik about the possibility of building me an SSS with a BM tonestack and PI. He sails that would be no problem. I think it would be pretty cool. A BM with footswitchable FET to push the front end, and the filter section, and built in reverb, with no OD. I just don't know if I can do 100 watts. Most of the lil gigs I play don't even like my 50 watter and I think the SSS would have to be cranked to sound its best, even with the BM PI in there. At least I know it can be done

Gregg
209  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bypassed HRM volume jump UPDATED!!!! on: April 26, 2012, 09:41:48 AM
What's funny is that I found the Weber clips of your Alnico 12-65 toally awesome. Dumbelish if ever....?? 

Ya too Dumbleish. I'm not really into the D-Tones, that's why i got a BM!!

Gregg
210  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Bypassed HRM volume jump UPDATED!!!! on: April 26, 2012, 07:04:29 AM
THanks Gregg, great insight. I agree totally on the quality of clean+boosted tone of the BM, it's addictive. I'm leaning towards using the amp like that as well with an overdrive pedal. The EQ-in-the-loop also opened the door wide-open for the OD tones.

very nice. i may be leaning towards something different all together. all depends on how the new speakers sound with the BM

Gregg
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