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151  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Weber Blue Dog or Celestion Gold 12' Alnicos on: January 07, 2011, 07:05:13 PM
also be aware that diff brands of speakers don't have identical impedance at all frequencies

I tried a Celestion Gold in parallel with a Fane AXA12 that was 1dB more sensitive, and the Gold was twice as loud - hence it must have been drawing much more from the amp.
If you have a 50w amp and a 30w and a 50w driver in parallel, check which runs the loudest (& take into account the sensitivities), you may put 40w into one driver without realising
152  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: EV 1x12 thiele cab double micing sound test on: January 07, 2011, 06:56:13 PM
where are the mic capsules from?
Any tips on mounting them?

Cheers
Tone
153  Community / Classifieds / Anyone selling anything in the UK or nearby? on: January 07, 2011, 06:44:18 PM
I have sold some bits, and therefore can buy more!
154  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: From Malaysia, with Love :) on: December 29, 2010, 07:39:32 AM
Is the megaboost useful?

Does the SAG switch make a big difference?

Cheers
Tone
155  Tw Clones / Expression / Re: Express clone question on: December 28, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
There must be a way to make smaller amps sound big enough as long as it is not an ultra low wattage single-ended amp it should not sound too small and boxy.
I believe it's what Dana Hall is making.

I hope there is a way.

Trouble is, the reproductions Nik sells are based on those amp designs that, out of the thousands of designs made over 60 years, have proved the most enduring and popular with guitarists. These are almost all push-pull designs based on 6v6, EL34, 6L6, KT66 valves or similar.

I have bought 8 low-powered valve amps. Only 2 of them sounded good, none of them sound as good as a JTM45 or a DC30, etc
You are entering a market where there has not been 60 years of competition and refinement, most of them are the first or second low-powered design from the builder.

To me it is not yet proven that you can get the tone of the best high-powered amps with the low powered ones. They are getting closer, but there are  obstacles:
1. Each valve type has its own tone
2. push-pull sounds different, but doubles the power
3. We are still at the early experimental phase, there is not a 60 year legacy of low-powered designs from which we can cherry-pick our favourites

The best sounding low-powered amps I have owned have been:
RAT BH5 mod: Blackheart BH5 + valve rectifier + 6L6 mixed in parallel single ended with the EL84 + new OPT. Less than 10w, combines 6L6 sound with EL84 breakup
Wienbrock ME-1. Push-pull using one 6SN7 dual triode valve, plus basic tonestack + valve rectifier. Very low power (1w?).
Biggest problem to ovecome is having no tight bottom end, and getting the right speaker.

My conclusion of buying and selling a lot of amps recently is: the reason some models are so popular and are reproduced so often is that they are the designs that, by fluke or effort, were the ones where all the many factors in the amp came together to create something really, really special. You certainly can tell when you play one.
I've felt this way playing a Matchless DC30, a DZ30, JTM45, Twin II, BM50, Wienbrock ME3 and ME4, Vox AC15H1TV, AC10 Twin.

Whilst it's a fair objective to make a lower powered version of a classic, you have to accept that you're really throwing the dice again, and 98% of the time, you won't be fortunate enough to match the sound of the classic.
Using different valves (to the usual suspects), you're back to the 50s with Leo, trying combinations out for the first time - some designs will work, some not

btw biggest range of low power amps I've seen is a EVA (English Valve Amps), they do about 20-30 models of Marshall derivatives.
I tried 3 at a show, they sounded very good, but I can't pass judgement on any amp until I've had it to myself for a few days in a quieter situation

156  Tw Clones / Expression / Re: Express clone question on: December 28, 2010, 12:52:08 AM
On the Amp Garage, some folks seem to enjoy a lower wattage Express built by Dana Hall...

Tonic amps are too expensive for me, only Ceriatone got the right price.

How can it have the same characteristics and be lower wattage?
Is it a 2x EL84 model?
If so, aside from all the other circuit elements, EL84s do not sound similar enough to EL34s
I just sold a Cornell 18w Plexi - to me it sounded nothing like the Ceriatone JTM45 I had bought subsequently, so I sold the Cornell. Lovely amp, but not the sweet spot of the sound in the JTM45

Cheers
Tone
157  Tw Clones / Expression / Re: Express clone question on: December 27, 2010, 07:07:07 PM
I got an Expression with VVR and master volume
For me, the VVR adds nothing useful
The master vol works quite well
6v6s sounded lame when I tried them

As far as I can see, the magic of this amp is that it plays clean when you dial the guitar volume down. Not that much use as a trick for most people.
The tone is good, and if you like Marshalls it's a better version of that 80s sound than any Marshalls I've tried (which is not all of them)

I preferred to replace some of the preamp & PI valves to get a better tone and slower breakup
You will not be able to get a good tone from this amp quietly,unless you invest in an Isolation Cab
The THD hotplate and Marshall powerbrake were not good enough for me.
Some people like power scaling or VVR or hotplates. I bought them all. They all suck tone. tbh a dummy load and a speaker emulation from Amplitube 3 does better (I've tired this)
If you need quiet, get an ISO Cab.
The Randall one is not as quiet as you might want, but sounds great. The Axetrak is very quiet but needs a lot of EQ and doesn't work for everything.
Pretty easy to get one built for yourself though.

Cheers
Tone
158  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone HRM Bluesmaster: 50W or 100W on: December 26, 2010, 09:54:19 AM
I think the standard D-styles are though of as Fender-derived, but the OD is certainly not

I'd recommend the BM50, but it's the only Ceriatone one I've tried. The HRM trimmers work great for me, I dial the treble down to the same level it is with no OD

You should get Nik to build the Deep switch the right way up, his schematic is upside down.
The Half-power may be useful to you, I don't use it

I'd like another relay and footswitch for the mid boost, like Fuchs do, but I think it's too much of a change to get Nik to do that

I think Pickmaster tried 10 inch drivers.

Cheers
Tone
159  Website, Store / Ceriatone.com / Re: Where is Ceriatone located? on: December 25, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
Nik

I'm more worried about when (or whether) you sleep, rather than where you are
160  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone HRM Bluesmaster: 50W or 100W on: December 24, 2010, 09:04:26 PM
Just to add a different opinion and some suggestions for Sloe.  I have the 100w, so I can comment on a few of things I've learned.  I know that TC doesn't like the EVs, but I can't say enough good things about them.  But they do have to be broken in.  I haven't found a better speaker, and yes,  I have tried the Golds and the Weber Alnicos (50w).  Tried it also with a V30/G12-65 combo and 2xG12-65s.  No comparison, EV all the way.  Though people say they are transparent, that's not entirely correct, as there is a low-mid spike.  It's just that the spike is in a "natural" place that makes the speaker sound transparent.  That may not sound logical, but that's what I've learned from TGP and other sources.  Make of it what you will.  What I know is that the character of each guitar I own comes through better with those speakers than any other, and the amp's tone controls seem to work better with them as well.

50w v 100w?

Good question.  I'd go with the 100w with a half-power switch and PAB trimmer, as well as one of the loop buffers, either the Kleinulator (solid state but cheaper) or the C-Lator (tube-based, but more expensive.  I think it sounds better, though it is a rack unit.  More on this later).  The buffer allows you run modulation pedals like delay, reverb, etc, without overloading the unit causing clipping.  It also acts as a pre-Phase Inverter Master Volume, allowing you to get great sounds at lower volumes.  Also, the first knob on the amp is a Volume control that adjusts the input volume from the guitar signal chain.  Like a saturation control, you can use it to push the clean channel into compression and OD, even with the 100w.  Combined with the buffer, you get lots of control.  All in all, there is no question: get the 100w. 

You can get a custom head cab built with a rack slot to fit the C-lator.  Get the amp without tubes and swap in Tung-Sol 12ax7s (make sure you get them from a supplier that tests them) and TAD 6L6-GCs. 

I've never tried EVs, I'd be happy to try them. My cleanest drivers are the ones I use for my Twin II's 2x12: Eminence ME12-1008LE, which I think are not bright enough for the BM50. I used to swear by them as a clear way to expose the amp's real sound, but with a few 5E3-derived amps and a DC30, I've accepted that some amps can't work properly with a clean, clear driver. Certainly a Twin sounds better through a clean clear driver than through v30s

I agree that 100w is the one to get, I got 50w but I am not convinced it's worth it to lose that headroom, for a Marshall clone I would say 50W every time, but this is a fendery amp.
I assume the half-power is a triode switch, which although not ideal (better to lose 2 valve like the DZ30), is done very well on my BM50

I usually play straight into the amp, so not too keen on the FX loops.
If I do use FX, it's usually just a delay or compressor with true (or nearly true) bypass anyway, but I am mainly doing recording and adding FX later

On speakers I'd say:
Like the amps themselves, you can get a shortlist of people's favourites, but you'll need to try them out to find yours.
If you know few people with good gear, you may have to buy more than you need and sell items on, but it's worth it.
If the EVs are bright, I have no doubt they could work well, and Celestion Golds do too. You can never tell until you personally try it

On a side note.
When you have an excellent amp (e,g, the BM, a DC30, etc), and find the speakers you like best, you then reach a great but horrible realisation that almost all the solos by your favourite guitarists on CD sound like the amp was lame, and that the amp you have sounds way better. OK, the recording, mixing and squashing onto CD doesn't help, but we really have such excellent gear these days that it's sad we can't take it back in a time machine to give to our heroes. I know people like to worship vintage gear, but you will find it hard to locate many recordings from the 60s or 70s that can match the tone I can dial up in my amps. Even recent recordings fail to capture how excellent these amps sound when you're in the room, but isn't that the same with any instrument?
OK, the Deluxe, JTM45 and AC30 were great, but look at what we have now, DC30s, Dumbles, boutique amps with whatever refinements you want
161  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: New OTS 50W on: December 24, 2010, 08:39:39 PM
Interested topic!

@Tonecontrol: according to that pic, Carlton seems to have the bright switch down and mid boost and rock switch up where Schofield has the bright up and rock up, mid down. Try different treble bleed caps on your guitars, it really comes in very handy and you'll find yourself playing more with the volume and tone knob on the guitar to get different sounds. P.S. how can you have the master up so loud? Mine is at 4 but I lower the overall volume with a Fuchs Reverbrator (send and return at 25%). Yet the volume is still quite loud for playing at home.

well, I bought a detached, brick-built house for a reason! It is quite loud.When I want to be quiet, I play my DC30 or use an Isobox I had built
As I say, I have master=8, vol=2-3; about same dB in the room as master=2, vol = 6-7 (both in rock mode)
I couldn't see the switches that well in those photos. Which way is on for the switches on those amps?
On the BM50 it should be up=on (athough the deep switch is wired wrong)
On my Fuchs ODS, on is up too

I do plan to try treble bleed caps again (I stopped using them a long time ago), although I have learnt from my DC30 that with the right amp/speakers, it can be more about tweaking the treble down on the guitar when running the guitar on full volume.

I tried a kleinulator and I didn't feel it improved the sound, so I don't use the FX loop
162  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: New OTS 50W on: December 24, 2010, 06:43:13 PM
Is Larry Carlton's amp set to jazz mode on those photos?

anyway, just tested my Bm50 with low master vol + high preamp vol
Certainly is a lot cleaner with high Vol and low master vol, sounds a little thin though - not sure if I prefer it, will try more EQ settings soon
With OD on (and trim down to match the new vol/master settings), the OD is a lot smoother but more distorted.
More like the traditional Carlton tone, but I'm not sure I like it as much as my normal settings

Anyway this amp is complicated enough to dial in sounds without this to add to my options
This amp is so flexible
163  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone HRM Bluesmaster: 50W or 100W on: December 24, 2010, 04:58:32 PM
Hello,

that sounds good.
You said something about a trimmer on the PAB. What is it exactly? And is this a special thing that Nik has to build in?

Thanks

Fabian

I've had other amps built with a trimmer to adjust the amount of boost for the PAB
For the BM,  by default it's too much of a boost for my liking. Used to be more still apparently. I like enough boost to take it up a level, rather than 3 or 4 levels
I'm told if you have a 100k trimmer put in instead of the 68k between mid pot and earth, you can tweak it.
I haven't had it done yet

Nik should be able to do it
164  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone HRM Bluesmaster: 50W or 100W on: December 24, 2010, 11:41:17 AM
pickmaster's results of his test are at:
http://ceriatoneforum.com/index.php?topic=715.msg5631#msg5631
which says:

Quote
We (Mr. Woody, Peter Morris and yours truly) at the CCC sound lab, tested 10 different speakers in 10 identical 1x12 cabs and 10 position channel switching system.
All cabs were positioned parallely on the carpeted cement flore.
We've used my OTS on live gig settings and Patrick Eggle custom Strat with two singles and bridge humbucker. All speakers were worked out “non virgins”.

Test results:

1.   Celestion Gold (my & Peter’s favourite) big open sound, great lows, mids and crisp highs. Celestion G12-65 – Woody’s favourite – Robben’s tone!
2.   Tone Tubby alnico 12 – Woody’s fav – same as 65’s but bit brighter. Celestion Century – me and Peter’s fav – loudest, very fast and big open sound, very silverface  twin on cleans, bit harsher on overdrive.
3.   Celestion G12-classic lead 80 – big worm tone.
4.   Fane Alnico AXA12  100w – fantastic speaker but you have to play it loud to get magic out of it.
5.   Jensen 12 Neo 100 light weight – worm, loud, very Larry Carlton-ish tone.
6.   Eminence Cannabis Rex - Hemp Cones - very smooth with a monster tone.
7.   Celestion BL15 – 15’’ bass speaker – darker G12-65 but bigger mids and lows.
8.   EV M12L – 200 watt from my mesa boogie mark III – loud, almost PA clean, very middley, dry, nasty, dreadful speaker. Why people recommend it I have no idea. Much better to use EV 15’’ speaker – mild highs and great mid & low tone.
We also tried all speakers with Woody’s Two Rock, Bludo and Brown Note D’light 44 amps with the similar results.

With the BM50, I've tried Vintage 30s, Celestion Lead 80, Eminence red white and blues, Celestion Gold, Fane AXA12, Eminence MLE (Bass/clean driver), Matchless 2x12, Weber Blue dog ceramic (doped). The Celestion Gold sounds much better than any of the others

Cheers
Tone
165  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone HRM Bluesmaster: 50W or 100W on: December 24, 2010, 11:29:43 AM
Hello,

thanks again for your help!

Maybe 100w will be ok. I'm only afraid the amp is too loud for me. Once I had a Marshall JCM 800 with 100W. It was just too loud to play at home or in a small club. It only sounded great if you played it loud on big stages.
That's why I thought of the 50W or 100W. If it's possible to play the 100W HRM BM with lower volumes then it will be ok. And if the HRM BM sounds better than the 50W even at lower volumes it will be perfect for me;-)

How's about a Weber Speaker in combination with the HRM BM?

Thanks

Fabian

I had a 100w Marshall DSL100, that was hugely louder than a 100w twin run mostly clean
A heavily distorted amp sounds like about 4 times the wattage of a cleaner one
With the BM you can balance the OD level (it functions as a separate master vol in a way, unlike most of the other OTSs) - the master vol on the BM does not affect the OD level, so you can have a 100w BM doing a 100w twin/super thing, then when the OD comes in, you can stop that beig 4 times louder anyway

I have a bluedog ceramic weber, it's good but not as rich as the Celestion Gold. Maybe the full-Alnico Webers are as good.
As I said, you need a bright speaker, and the Alnico effect works well with this amp. If you search, there are some posts on which is best. Pickmaster did a list, I'll have a look for that

Cheers
Tone
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