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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 20, 2013, 11:22:33 PM
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Been thinking about it, and honestly, i think the best thing you could do right now at this stage is what i did; drop Nik an email. Tell him about what kind of sound you are looking for, and he can steer you in the right direction. I started out with the intention of getting a JTM 45 or a 5F6a to kinda replace the Sovtek, but after about 3-4 days of emailing back and forth with Nik, he suggested the Bluesmaster. He really knows his amps, and everyone that has talked with him has been nothing but pleased with what he has recommended. Go for it, you won't be disappointed!! Gregg Thanks, Greg. Yes. The ball has started rolling. It has been suggested I review the C-Lator device. I want to compare it with the Weber Mass 200. Toppscore  Very cool. Just be aware that comparing the two devices is like comparing apples and antelopes. They are not even close to being the same device. Gregg This is good to know. Love trying new technology. And, I never blend apples and oranges in my protein shakes  I'm having a blast with that little Fender G-Dec-30w with the SD-Card options  Will study-up and let you know. Toppscore |
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 19, 2013, 05:47:55 PM
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Been thinking about it, and honestly, i think the best thing you could do right now at this stage is what i did; drop Nik an email. Tell him about what kind of sound you are looking for, and he can steer you in the right direction. I started out with the intention of getting a JTM 45 or a 5F6a to kinda replace the Sovtek, but after about 3-4 days of emailing back and forth with Nik, he suggested the Bluesmaster. He really knows his amps, and everyone that has talked with him has been nothing but pleased with what he has recommended. Go for it, you won't be disappointed!! Gregg Thanks, Greg. Yes. The ball has started rolling. It has been suggested I review the C-Lator device. I want to compare it with the Weber Mass 200. Toppscore |
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: 4x6L6 versus 2x6L6 & 2x6V6 versus 4x6V6 Tubes in 100w Overtone Amps?
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on: January 18, 2013, 05:25:58 PM
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You can not use 6v6s together with 6l6s, different voltage requirements.
Or even with different power supplies to different tubes it does not make sense tone wise.
4 6V6s will give you about 40 – 50 watt and it will sound nice, will brake up earlier than 6L6s. Thanks again. This seems like a good "experimental" project as I've heard the 6V6 tubes are usable and produce a "softer more rounded tone". Will be interested reading what others have experienced. Take care. Toppscore |
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: 100w/50w Hi/Low Switches/Circuitry *** Any GOOD switches that ACTUALLY WORK???
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on: January 18, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
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Ceratone (Nik) already does this modification and many others. You have to specify what mods you want before ordering an amp. Cheers. Thanks, Pickmaster. Are buyers of Ceriatone amps happy with the Hi/Low switch? Do some find it really helps while others have a hard time noticing the difference? and, do you feel the Hi/Low switch when NOT in use affects the original intended sounds/tones? Thanks for your response. Toppscore |
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Ceriatone / Overtone / 100w/50w Hi/Low Switches/Circuitry *** Any GOOD switches that ACTUALLY WORK???
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on: January 18, 2013, 11:02:11 AM
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Question:
Are there good Hi/Low switch modifications or circuits that actually work?
Worth the time and money?
Won't ruin the sound/tone when not in use?
If I buy the 100w Ceriaton amps, are there modifications or switches
that will ACTUALLY reduce the volume by a true 50%?
I heard that the 50% power reduction from 100w down to 50w does not deliver a 50% reduction
in volume. One person suggested a reduction to 25watts and another person stated that
10watts or a 90% reduction of power will reduce the volume by 50%.
I've read that most Hi/Low switches do not make a difference in volume when reduced.
Most of my playing time will need the 50w power, but on occasion, will need the 100w screamin' tones.
What do you think?
Anybody know of GOOD Hi/Low switch modifications or add-ons?
Thanks for reading. Toppscore
***If there are no good viable products that are not a waste of time and money,
is my Weber Mass 200 the best option to "tame" the volume???
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Ceriatone / Overtone / 4x6L6 versus 2x6L6 & 2x6V6 versus 4x6V6 Tubes in 100w Overtone Amps?
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on: January 18, 2013, 10:54:18 AM
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I’m going to buy two Ceritone amps. I've several Fender 100w amps and will
be buying a couple of Ceriatone 100w amps (Dumble & Trainwreck) in 2013.
What are experiences, opinions or ideas regarding using 2x6V6 & 2x6L6 power tubes
when the amp is original at 4x6L6 tubes? . . . . . . Or just 4x6V6 power tubes?
I'm know there are tone/sound differences and if the tone change
is desired, then bias must be tweaked/adjusted.
But, would any part of the amp's circuit be damaged
or could there be "long-term" repercussions towards any component?
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Custom amp building, Prototypes and other amps / Mods and Tweaks / 4x6L6 versus 2x6L6 & 2x6V6 Power Tube Usage
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on: January 16, 2013, 07:35:06 PM
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What are experiences, opinions or ideas regarding using
2x6V6 and 2x6L6 power tubes when the amp is original at 4x6L6 tubes?
I'm sure there are tone/sound differences and if the tone change is desired,
then bias must be tweaked/adjusted.
But, would any part of the amp's circuit be damaged
or could there be "long-term" reprecussions towards any component?
***I've several Fender 100w amps and'll be buying
a couple of Ceriatone 100w amps in 2013.
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Custom amp building, Prototypes and other amps / Mods and Tweaks / 100w/50w Hi/Low Switches/Circuitry *** Any GOOD ones that actually work???
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on: January 16, 2013, 07:26:36 PM
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Have several 100w Fender amps. Will be purchasing a Ceriatone Dumble clone and a Trainwreck clone.
Most Ceriatone amps have 100w and 50w options.
Question:
Are there good Hi/Low switch modifications or circuits that actually work?
Worth the time and money?
Won't ruin the sound/tone when not in use?
If I buy the 100w Ceriaton amps, are there modifications or switches
that will ACTUALLY reduce the volume by a true 50%?
I have read that most Hi/Low switches do not make a difference in volume when reduced.
Most of my playing time will need the 50w power, but on occasion, will need the 100w screamin' tones.
What do you think?
Anybody know of GOOD Hi/Low switch modifications or add-ons?
Thanks for reading. Toppscore
***If there are no good viable products that are not a waste of time and money,
is my Weber Mass 200 the best option to "tame" the volume???
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 16, 2013, 01:21:27 PM
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I missed out on it because i didn't have the funds at the time  i never did the whole glam rock rack unit thing. I had one solid state amp, a Yorkville Stage 150GH, kinda wish i still had it. i also had an old blackface princeton reverb, my Sovtek Mig 50 with a custom 4x12, and an Ampeg J12R that i used. i hardly ever play out anymore. i use my Modded Ceriatone Bluesmaster 50 watter 2x12 combo with a Weber Alnico 1265 and a Weber Neo 12, my Roland JC90, and my trusty Ampeg J12R. Wasn't the 5D6 one of Fender's first Fixed Bias amps? They are very rare, like hen's teeth if i recall. very nice! Gregg Rarest of the rare. Only eleven remain of the 182 built in 1954. Of the eleven remaining, only three are with original tweed and cabinet. Mine has 2 or 3 of the original trannys and three of the original speaker frames. Good stuff. Good knowledge on your part. |
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 16, 2013, 09:03:26 AM
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I'd go with Gregg's recommendations - he knows a lot more about these than I do! Based on your musical choices, I'd highly recommend the bluesmaster, either the 50w or the 100w version. My 50w through 2 EV 12in speakers makes a whole lot of sound, but you get more clean headroom with the 100w version. Supposedly. That's what I've heard. Love the amps in your sig! My personal favorite amp that I'll forever kick myself for selling was a 65 Twin Reverb - what a great amp! There are folks on here who know alot more than me, that's for sure The Bluesmaster does sound like it would get the job done for ya, though. I'm hopin the 212Mavguy will chime in, he has a standard HRM and can give his insight. Off topic, i had a chance to get a Blackface Twin Reverb when i was in highschool in the mid 90's for practically nothing. No body wanted those old fender tube amps then, it was all rack stuff and mesas. i made the wrong decision... Gregg Gregg. As you can see from my below list of amps, I have a few from each Fender era. The 1954 5D6 4x10 Tweed Bassman is killer, and simple. Has tone all it's own. I had it "A-B"d with a 1959 5F6A recently. Both amps sound good/great, but different. Most have never heard of the term "Fender 1954 5D6 4x10 Bassman", much less heard the tones. My 1960 Fender 6G4 Transitional Super Amp has six pre-amp tubes for a 6G4A tremolo circuit, a 6G8 Twin tone circuit and all wrapped into the 1960 JI September Super Amp circuitry during Leo Fender's glorious experimental year of 1960. The Super Amp arrived damaged. Seller paid for bad UPS shipping and his extremely poor packaging. I had Skip Simmons straighten things out and modifiy absolutely NOTHING to bring this original Super Amp back to life. I had never heard it play until it arrived back two months ago. Now, it is my best tone/sounding amp of all my amps. Not really a crunchy distortion type amp, but just the sweetest Rock sounds/tones I have ever heard. Incredible. These 40w Super Amp Beasts are hard on the 1959 Jensen P10R speakers, but Skip Simmons says he knows a reconner that has "tougher/stronger" P10R recones that will handle the Super Amp 40w output. This leaves me with my three 1964 Blackface amps that are generally my favorite amps. The sounds and tones are Classic Rock, Blues and Rockabilly KILLER. All are 1964s and all original and all in Near Mint condition. So, those are my five "solid sender" keepers. Need to decide what to do with the remaining. Now, to get away from Fender and I do not like Marshall, I will be getting . . . . at this point, the Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 50w "Dumble clone" (still need more review) and then I will seek a Ceriatone Trainwreck that will fit in and not duplicate the Bluesmaster or Fenders. Bottom line, is that you missed out on the Blackface for the for the 1990s Glam Rock Explosion - haha  Hey, they are out there. What do you use nowadays? Toppscore |
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 16, 2013, 08:45:35 AM
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I'd go with Gregg's recommendations - he knows a lot more about these than I do! Based on your musical choices, I'd highly recommend the bluesmaster, either the 50w or the 100w version. My 50w through 2 EV 12in speakers makes a whole lot of sound, but you get more clean headroom with the 100w version. Supposedly. That's what I've heard. Love the amps in your sig! My personal favorite amp that I'll forever kick myself for selling was a 65 Twin Reverb - what a great amp!
Thanks, SDuck! What attracted me to the Bluesmaster 50w were the reviews stating this amp offers lots of "LOW-END" for a guitar amp. I'm still studying. Because, if I get the Bluesmaster 50w, then I'll want one of the three Trainwrecks that will be completely different from my below Fender amp line-up, and different than the Bluesmaster 50w Dumble clone. So, for now, the "Dumble" Bluesmaster 50w needs to get played and/or samples listened to before purchasing. Toppscore |
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 15, 2013, 08:45:13 AM
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1) Non HRM classic EQ 2) Non-HRM Skyliner EQ Low Plate 3) Non-HRM Skyliner EQ High Plate 4) HRM Skyliner EQ 5) Blues Master ================ 1a) Overtone Special 50w (2x6L6) Skyliner nonHRM 1b) Overtone Special 100w (4x6L6) Skyliner nonHRM 2) Overtone S&M Special Skyliner nonHRM 3a) Overtone Skyliner HRM 50w 3b) Overtone Skyliner HRM 100w 4a) Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 50w 4b) Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 100w ====================== Wow! Decision making is moving fast, thanks for SDuck & Gregg's help.
So the NON-HRM amps are more Fender-like and the Blues Master & Skyliner
have more Marshall characteristics. Right?
Apparently the first five are from Dumble's own inventory of names
and second four are what can be purchased from Ceriatone.
And, according to Gregg, it seems like
3a) Overtone Skyliner HRM 50w
4a) Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 50w
are the ones for me to investigate.
This narrows things down, considerably. Thank you.
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 15, 2013, 07:38:08 AM
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Gregg. We posted at the same time 
Will have to review your recommendations
based upon the styles of music I shared with SDuck
and with the three "pre-judged amps" I chose
based upon your page of Dumble amp descriptions.
So far:
* Two channels are important
* Singing first channel
* Crunchy distortion second channel
* Strong LOW_END thump is very good
* Probably 50w is best
* I really enjoy rhythm leads, baritone sounds,
full on Stratocaster & Telecaster guitars and've lately been
getting into stacked pickups and some humbucker pickups as well.
Let's go from here. Cannot wait to see your comments.
Then, I will study Ceriatones list of products and get one.
. . . . . and join the club
Toppscore
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Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: What is the BEST Dumble KIT/CLONE, if you can only ONE???
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on: January 15, 2013, 07:33:19 AM
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HAD based his early amps on Fenders, either modifying or basing the circuits on them. Here is some info on the different models for you from other psots on the forum
Non Hrm classiq EQ
Non-HRM Skyliner EQ low plate
Non-HRM Skyliner EQ high plate
HRM Skyliner EQ HRM stands for "Hot Rubber Monkey". This is a second tone stack just for the OD channel.
It is more or less a Marshall style tone stack this allows tone shaping of the OD independent of the cleans.
Blues Master. Think raw early Fender/Marshall tone on steroids
FWIW Non_Hrm Skyliner EQ High plater is basically the OTS
Overtone Special (2x&L6) Skyliner nonHRM
Overtone Special 100 (4x6L6) Skyliner nonHRM
Overtone S&M Special Skyliner nonHRM
Overtone Skyliner HRM
Overtone Skyliner HRM 100
Overtone HRM Bluesmaster
Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 100
Hope this helps * Gregg Thanks a million, Gregg. Much appreciated. Seems the following are the Ceriatone available “Dumble” amp kits/clones within two different groupings. Did I get this right? 1) Non HRM classic EQ 2) Non-HRM Skyliner EQ Low Plate 3) Non-HRM Skyliner EQ High Plate 4) HRM Skyliner EQ 5) Blues Master ================ 1a) Overtone Special 50w (2x6L6) Skyliner nonHRM 1b) Overtone Special 100w (4x6L6) Skyliner nonHRM 2) Overtone S&M Special Skyliner nonHRM 3a) Overtone Skyliner HRM 50w 3b) Overtone Skyliner HRM 100w 4a) Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 50w 4b) Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 100w Question: What do you mean by “boosted cleans” from the Blues Master amp?
Volume dimed? Added pedals?Question: Do I have this correct? “ HRM stands for Hot Rubber Monkey which is
the name of a second tone stack that is only dedicated to the OD channel.”“FWIW, the #3 “Non-HRM Skyliner EQ High Plate” is basically the OTS (Overtone Special)”
Are you indicating that the OverTone Specials are really the same as the HighPlate Skyliner?
How close/similar are you indicating?So far, via your fantastic descriptions, I’m attracted to in no particular order: 1) Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 50w because of the more “low-end” as described and I assume it has two channels Interestingly, I’d love to hear a six-string baritone guitar on this amp. 2) HRM Skyliner EQ because of the second available channel with a dedicated strong OD tone stack. The HRM Skyliner EQ seems switchable between Bassman cleans and Marshall distortion. 3) Blues Master 50w will be wondering about the differences between the Overtone HRM Bluesmaster 50w, original 1950s Fender 4x10 Bassmans and the JTM 50w Marshall combo amps. ***I am not a BBKing or Clapton tone guitarist, so my choice of amps will be for overall sustain, tones, low-end with decent high-end and the ability to work with 1960s Fender Reverb Tank Units. Just my styles. Again. Thank you Gregg. Toppscore |
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