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121  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Challenge to owners on: June 14, 2008, 03:08:20 PM
I'm a Mayer fan, and I will receive my Overtone in one or two week (unfortunately the footswitch are out of stock so i didn't receive my overtone yet).

If I find something to record my amp I will post some samples with some Mayer's riff.

Nathan,
I have an extra footswitch. The one provided with my OTS had a 2m cable which is too short for a stage set up. I was able to get one from CeriaTone with a 5m cable. I only paid a dollar for it, so I am happy to send the original to you for the shipping cost. You could let Nik know that you have one, then. Let me know if you are interested and we can work out the details.
122  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Challenge to owners on: June 11, 2008, 06:51:30 PM
Yes, I am a big Matt Schofield fan. He is not generally known in the the states. I get funny looks when I identify him as an influence.

It seems that few people realize how much the neck influences the tone of a guitar. My strat orginally had a modern Fender thin C neck on it. I could barely play the thing. That Warmoth neck doubled the resonance of the guitar. I keep it tuned to E flat with 11-52's.  I have never heard a better strat tone and have not found anyone who would dispute that. And you are right about no body else liking that thick if a neck, but it is shock to those who are used to those weeny thin c necks.

I also have a MIM telecaster body with a Warmoth boatneck and a Dimarzio Twang King bridge p.u. and an Air Classic HB neck pickup (wired to allow split coils). The tone pots are removed and I just use a 4 -way rotary switch to select the pickup configuration (including the coil split). Any time I am playing that guitar around another guitar player or anyone knowledgeable about guitar tone I get asked about it. The big neck is the key!
123  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Challenge to owners on: June 08, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
gridlock: yeh that riff in particular is pretty nice!

steven: true tone isnt all in the amp, but knowing what sort of ballpark you can get yourself into is handy when you cant go into a store and play it for yourself Tongue

i like those clips have seen them before, but in comparison id have to say the OTS cleans i've heard sound good and clear but just slightly too "tinny" or a bit too thin...by that i mean there isnt a lot of low down resonance and nice bass to complement the shimmering highs, but im not sure if thats the way they have set the tone controls up or if thats because you simply cant achieve it, which is why ive set the challenge LOL

i say this all comparitively to the TR sound above however, on its own of course it still sounds awesome!
Cadsy48,
I am not sure if your question can be answered convincingly, but I'll throw my two cents in here.
1st: A YouTube recording is a facsimile of the real tone, so you are only getting an idea of what it sounds like in person.
2nd: 90% of what you are hearing in that sample is coming out of J.M.'s fingers and would sound very similar on any amp with a high quality clean tone.
3rd: I believe that I am getting that tone from my OTS with the following settings: bright off, deep off, jazz, Treble at 8, Mid and Bass at 5, OD at 5, ratio 5, Master at 2.5, Presence at 8, Volume 5. Overdrive on, PAB off. Guitar: Strat w/Lindy Fralin Hot Vintage pickups , and a very fat warmoth neck, Brazilian Rosewood board.

That said , I can get a very similar clean tone (Glassy, but full?) with my '66 Super Reverb.

I love the Robben Ford tone, but I really don't have the playing style to exploit it. I am starting to think that it is unfortunate that the the  OTS' main claim to fame is for the RF/LC tone.  I use the OTS to play in a Blues/Rock&Roll oriented band (SRV, Susan Tedeschi, Tommy Castro, Johnny Lang, etc.) and I have to adjust my tone frequently to be appropriate for the song being played and I have no problem finding those tones with the OTS.

The "tinny" sound you are referring  to (I think of it as grainy) comes when you have the Bright on and in Rock mode. I think it sounds better in real life than on the YouTube recordings.

The OTS has a lot of features and it takes some time to find all the tones you can get out of it. All my experiences with Two Rock have been over the computer so my opinion does not count much, but I can't hear what makes it worth the $$$$$ they are asking. I do have 1st hand experience with the Fuchs ODS. It sounds great, but the OTS is a little better for a 3rd of the price.   

Sorry, I am not equipped to upload sound samples, but it is a goal of mine (if somebody does not beat me to it) to upload some samples with tones of the OTS that have not been demonstrated yet.
124  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: New Overtone available on: June 06, 2008, 01:50:52 AM
Wouldn't you expect the tone of the OTS to change, if 6V6's were used? They change the tone of my THD Bivalve significantly.
125  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: New Overtone available on: June 03, 2008, 10:15:52 PM
Yeah look tasty.

I'm waiting for my Overtone, should arrive in 1 or 2 weeks (maybe one weeks more as nik says (delayed Cry)

I hope 50W will be enought for me (blues/rock/pop band with bass, drums, organ an a singer).

I play in a band with the same format. We rehearse in an insulated 24 x 36 metal building. I can't get the 50W OTS above 1.5  Volume and Master, with (Bright, Deep & Rock, Overdrive on, Pre-amp boost off) without blowing everybody out the door. At a fairly large club with a raised stage and about a 200 person capacity I was able to crank it up to 3 (after the place was full). I have taken to leaving all the switches off(Overdrive on), Cranking the Volume to 5 with the master at 2 (overdrive on), and use the pre-amp boost switch or Full Drive 2 as needed. 

It is inconceivable to me as to why any one needs a 100W amp (except for their own enjoyment?Huh?). An 18W amp miked to the PA is good enough for just about anything.   I used to play a cranked Twin Reverb, now I can't figured out how that volume level was tolerated back then.   
126  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: possible bias issues on: June 03, 2008, 09:36:48 PM
I also had 25-26mV when I checked my bias. I increased it to 30 then 35 mA. There was no noticeable change in amp tone for me. It is possible that the tubes will run a little cooler, but my tubes were not running abnormally hot at the original bias. I am sure Nik has his reasons for this bias setting.

And...Although the bias check feature on the OTS seems to work fine. I use an AMP-HEAD Dual bias tester on my other amps. It has dummy sockets that plug in the tube sockets and then you plug in your tubes. It is pretty convenient for a quick bias check. AMP-HEAD also makes a device that measures plate voltage that will piggy back with the Bias tester. You don't really need this stuff if you change tubes infrequently. But if you change vacuum tubes frequently they are nice.
127  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: possible bias issues on: June 03, 2008, 04:10:54 PM
Fred,
I would suggest not using the current measurement at all. If you have a 1 ohm shunt resistor installed, as I believe there is in the OTS, the mV reading in directly proportional to the actual current. Most multimeters have an internal fuse that can blow  without the user knowing. The voltage reading is much more reliable. If you are reading 26mV that is probably what it is w/in the accuracy of the 1 ohm resistor (1.2 ohms is really unacceptable for this purpose, the resistor for bias measurement should have a 1% tolerance). If you are really in to using this bias method and the resistor is really 1.2 I would replace it.
Also try another meter that is known to be reliable.

Good Luck
128  Website, Store / Suggestions / Re: Blackface Fenders on: June 01, 2008, 09:23:42 PM
Here's an idea:
The AB763 circuit setup for 30-35 watts (5881's or 6L6s) run through 3 x 10 cabinet with some nice Weber Alnicos (or equivalent)?
129  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: two speaker cabs on: May 27, 2008, 10:40:44 PM
I was thinking of getting two speaker cabs for my overtone that will be arriving soon.
One will be an avatar 2x12 with Celestion G12H30 speakers(not heritage), the other will be a small 16lbs rotating speaker  cab with a 50 watt jensen 10'' speaker.

What do you guys think of this? will this work? both speaker cabs will be 8ohms.

Thanks
-JD


I have the Avatar 2x12 open back cab with a Vintage 30 & G12H30. I use this cab with both my THD Bivalve and the OTS and it sounds very good.with either.  I seem to get the same fullness and openess that I get with my 4x10 bassman and super reverb . The V30 / G12H  combo seems to give a very solid bottom end with a very smooth break-up and very distictive high frequencies. I also have a combo with two G12-65s. Those speakers sound muffled compared to the V30/G12H combo. I think you would be losing something with two G12H30s
130  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone with 4x10? on: May 25, 2008, 08:14:33 PM
It has been a while since anything has been added here, so I don't if this topic is still interesting, but....

Here are my 2 cents on the emulation thing and purchase of the gear your hero plays:

1. We want  to play what we like to hear.
2. It seems as though the fastest way to accomplish that is to have the same gear as the person serving as your inspiration. That is natural and there should be no embarassment about that. Enjoy yourself!
3. BUT! Gear does not make the player. There is a teenage chinese girl on youtube playing an Epiphone Les Paul through a 15w Laney amp and some type of OD pedal and she sounds exactly like Robben Ford (I am not Joking). There is a another teen on Youtube with 10,000 views who is paying "Cliffs of Dover" better than Eric eff'in Johnson!
4. There are two things that need to be addressed if you want to be respected as a guitar player (note: enjoying what you are doing takes precedence over being respected.):
 a.) Your skill.
 b. ) Your tone.
5. Practice and a.) will be taken care of. Try a lot of stuff out and find something that sounds good to you and you have b.)

Obviously, your pocket book has something to do with it all. I have found  that now that I have more money I buy more expensive toys but when it comes time to get down to business I stick with the tried and true. You can find good tone with out breaking the bank, but you have to feel it and hear it personally to know it will be good.

I played the same the same '74 Les Paul Standard and Frankenstrat through a '72 Twin Reverb for 20 plus years. I spent a lot of time choosing that Les Paul and it has always felt and played great. I now have '59 Les Paul reissue (I really like it), some custom strats & tele's that I enjoy and several cool amps (including the OTS). I traded the Twin even up for a  refurbed '66 Super Reverb when it needed new tubes and speakers. Seems as though, 15 years ago,  people did not understand that there would be an irrational demand for BF Supers in 2008. I didn't. Despite all the cool gear, when the rubber meets the road, I am out there with the old Les Paul and Fender AB763 sound. It sounds good and it is predictable for me.

New gear can be fun. Some great guitarists play the same stuff all their lives and others use different gear all the time. Do what works for you. Just make sure that your skill and your tone are the best quality that you are capable of.

End of Sermon.
131  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: possible bias issues on: May 25, 2008, 06:27:01 PM
I am sure that ic-racer knows more about this stuff than I do, but...
My amp tech (who is very sharp) insists that a lower bias works fine and gives the tubes a longer life. He biases my Bassman & Super Reverb at between 25-30mA. Both sound very good and are running at a plate voltage around 475 VDC, which is the other part of the equation you need to know to set your bias. Both the Bassman & SR sound exactly the same at 35mA, which I believe is kind of the safe bet when you are biasing 6L6s with out knowing th e plate voltage. I have not checked, but the OTS plate voltage probably runs about the same as the Bassman/SR . You know you are too cold with your bias when your tubes get very hot and may have a red glow. This will shorten the tube life drastically and may cause permanent damage to the amp components if this is done over a longer period of time.

Having said all that, if you cannot bias above 25mA there is something wrong and it is almost sure to be the resistor used to set the bias. If it were me I would have an amp tech check it out. Some of the guys on this forum could talk you through some troubleshooting if you wanted to do it yourself. Nik may actually be the best place to start. Good Luck!
132  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Overtone with 4x10? on: May 05, 2008, 01:43:41 AM
I haven't heard of Matt Schofield... what kind of stuff does he play?









Matt plays blues with a significant jazz influence in his style. He was most famous for his '61 strat through a 64 Super Reverb.
He is branching out now with some different gear. He is well worth a listen.
133  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Deep_ Rock/Jazz Switch question on: April 30, 2008, 12:25:24 AM
I would describe it as a Clean Boost in the Rock position. Slightly brighter and louder.
134  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Deep_ Rock/Jazz Switch question on: April 28, 2008, 07:17:48 PM
Thanks. I had not noticed. I've been using the F/S and I just thought of it as Boost and More Boost. But there is more to it I guess.
135  Ceriatone / Overtone / Re: Deep_ Rock/Jazz Switch question on: April 28, 2008, 12:23:00 AM
What is the PAB? My Deep Switch seems to work no matter what.
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