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Title: Which OTS for Matt Schofield type tones?
Post by: AdrianJ on April 21, 2012, 08:22:34 PM
Only just started listening to Matt Schofield's stuff, but already loving his tone and thinking that I would love to be able to get that sort of sound myself.

I know he's used a number of amps, but several seem to be D-Type amps and since I'm FINALLY on the verge of ordering an OTS I thought it would be good to try and get one that will get me these sort of tones.

An example:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Dj0STCuNamI (http://www.youtube.com/embed/Dj0STCuNamI)

(Sorry, don't know how to embed YouTube videos...)

If this amp could also get John Mayer style cleans that would be awesome...

And yes, I realise that neither will make me sound like either player...I want to sound like myself, but if I'm investing in an amp to (hopefully) last me the rest of my playing life then I would like to use these tones as starting points to build my own sound.

Basically, would a HRM BM 100W get me the JM clean tones and the MS overdriven tones??


Title: Re: Which OTS for Matt Schofield type tones?
Post by: AdrianJ on April 21, 2012, 08:25:08 PM
More examples of his tone here:

http://www.mattschofield.net/music.html (http://www.mattschofield.net/music.html)


Title: Re: Which OTS for Matt Schofield type tones?
Post by: SoundPerf on April 21, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
I didn't vote, but here's my $.02. From the first clip, I would say go towards the HRM or HRM BM. I only have ever played a 50watt HRM so I can't speak specifically about the BM or other OTS's for that matter, but have listened to tons of clips and read tons of posts about the other amps. From what I have gathered if you're just looking for that creamy overdriven Dumble sound then a regular OTS is the way to go. If you want an amp with some more balls on the clean side and bit more hair on the drive side than either an HRM or BM is the way to go. From the video clip I would think that he's using more of a HRM type amp. I guess it looks like a TR Custom Reverb which I think is based around an HRM. I might be wrong about that.

I personally have seen too many people complain about the BM being more difficult to tame that I would suggest an HRM. I'm probably biased and I'm sure the BM owners will take exception to that statement.  ;)

Basically, I can hear my amp all over that clip. I will say that the pickups in his guitar are playing a big role in sounds. My guitar's single coils are not has big and open sounding. They're part of a humbucking/single coil setup and I believe some compentation was made to balance them in humbucking mode. You still can't beat a perfectly wound single coil all by itself.

P.S.
Also, if you're wanting to eventually get to your own voice, I think the HRM is way more capable of going in so many directions that it is the best amp. I mean, I can be sounding like Robin Ford/Carlton at one point and then grab some AC/DC type marshall stuff the next and even get a really nice Jerry Garcia Twin tone after that. That's pretty cool if you ask me.

edit: to make the satement say "owners will take exception" (I type too fast)


Title: Re: Which OTS for Matt Schofield type tones?
Post by: plasticvonaband on April 22, 2012, 01:46:51 AM
I didn't vote, but here's my $.02. From the first clip, I would say go towards the HRM or HRM BM. I only have ever played a 50watt HRM so I can't speak specifically about the BM or other OTS's for that matter, but have listened to tons of clips and read tons of posts about the other amps. From what I have gathered if you're just looking for that creamy overdriven Dumble sound then a regular OTS is the way to go. If you want an amp with some more balls on the clean side and bit more hair on the drive side than either an HRM or BM is the way to go. From the video clip I would think that he's using more of a HRM type amp. I guess it looks like a TR Custom Reverb which I think is based around an HRM. I might be wrong about that.

I personally have seen too many people complain about the BM being more difficult to tame that I would suggest an HRM. I'm probably biased and I'm sure the BM owner with take exception to that statement.  ;)

Basically, I can hear my amp all over that clip. I will say that the pickups in his guitar are playing a big role in sounds. My guitar's single coils are not has big and open sounding. They're part of a humbucking/single coil setup and I believe some compentation was made to balance them in humbucking mode. You still can't beat a perfectly wound single coil all by itself.

P.S.
Also, if you're wanting to eventually get to your own voice, I think the HRM is way more capable of going in so many directions that it is the best amp. I mean, I can be sounding like Robin Ford/Carlton at one point and then grab some AC/DC type marshall stuff the next and even get a really nice Jerry Garcia Twin tone after that. That's pretty cool if you ask me.
I didn't vote, but here's my $.02. From the first clip, I would say go towards the HRM or HRM BM. I only have ever played a 50watt HRM so I can't speak specifically about the BM or other OTS's for that matter, but have listened to tons of clips and read tons of posts about the other amps. From what I have gathered if you're just looking for that creamy overdriven Dumble sound then a regular OTS is the way to go. If you want an amp with some more balls on the clean side and bit more hair on the drive side than either an HRM or BM is the way to go. From the video clip I would think that he's using more of a HRM type amp. I guess it looks like a TR Custom Reverb which I think is based around an HRM. I might be wrong about that.

I personally have seen too many people complain about the BM being more difficult to tame that I would suggest an HRM. I'm probably biased and I'm sure the BM owner with take exception to that statement.  ;)

Basically, I can hear my amp all over that clip. I will say that the pickups in his guitar are playing a big role in sounds. My guitar's single coils are not has big and open sounding. They're part of a humbucking/single coil setup and I believe some compentation was made to balance them in humbucking mode. You still can't beat a perfectly wound single coil all by itself.

P.S.
Also, if you're wanting to eventually get to your own voice, I think the HRM is way more capable of going in so many directions that it is the best amp. I mean, I can be sounding like Robin Ford/Carlton at one point and then grab some AC/DC type marshall stuff the next and even get a really nice Jerry Garcia Twin tone after that. That's pretty cool if you ask me.


I agree with all those statements, As a BM owner i can say that the OD can be tough to dial in. I think i'm finally there, though.  8)

But for the creamy singing OD tones, i think that an OTS Standard or the HRM standard are the way to go.
Also, as Chris said the HRM is very, very versatile, since you can dial in your OD tone much more precisely and find your signature tone. The HRM on the BM is tricky to dial in, especially if you are using the stock 68k PAB resistor. Nik designed his with less volume jump in mind, so he used the 68k PAB resistor in place of the 22M resistor that was used in some of the original Bluesmaster designs. Mine is switchable between the two, and i have found that the 22M setting works much better, both with the HRM Bypassed and Engaged, and it works better for OD with boosted cleans, which how i usually run mine.

Gregg


Title: Re: Which OTS for Matt Schofield type tones?
Post by: AdrianJ on April 22, 2012, 08:07:03 AM
Thanks guys, how are the cleans on the regular HRM? Would I still be able to get close to Fender Blackface-esque sparkling cleans?


Title: Re: Which OTS for Matt Schofield type tones?
Post by: AdrianJ on April 22, 2012, 08:09:02 AM
I should add that it would be my intention to run a C-Lator and reverb in the loop...which I know goes a long way towards achieving BF tones...


Title: Re: Which OTS for Matt Schofield type tones?
Post by: MrBluesStrat on April 22, 2012, 10:59:56 AM
For the Matt Schofield tone: OTS HRM Bluesmaster !!!

With this amp (and a 2x10 cab) you will get the MS tone !!!