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« on: December 30, 2008, 07:29:30 AM »

I'm about ready to pull the trigger on a Ceriatone D style amp and want to get the right one.  I'm very sensitive to bright amps, can't stand anything that resembles bright or harsh.  I want clarity and articulation without being bright, if that's possible, with no loose bottom end or mud.  Think Robben Ford's "Politician" sound. 

I play mostly a PRS CU22 with Dragon II's and Les Paul with Duncan Antiquities, though some Strat and tele (not much these days).

OTS or HRM?
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2008, 03:05:42 PM »

There is clarity there, some could find it harsh as it is not a forgiving amp. It will let your technique show. If you you like BF Fender/Vox style amps you will be pleased, if you like a Marshall JCM800s then maybe a different amp is the order.
Speakers will play important role in finding the right top/bottom balance.

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2008, 06:15:42 PM »

 I have the same issue with the Overtone. Experiment with various length cables in the the FX loop.  Currently I am using a 15 foot cable in the loop which really reigns in the high end response.  How long have you had your amp?  I have noticed that the sound mellows over time.  It still has a lot of high end...that just seems to be the part of it's sound.  The speaker & cabinet make a significant difference in it's tone.   The Overtone is not designed to produce that big low end thump like a lot of modern amps do.  If you are used to a really tight, punchy low end you'll be disappointed with this amp
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2008, 01:54:15 AM »

I played a blackface Super Reverb for years before switching to Dr Z Maz 18 and Maz 38's around 2002.  I like the Dr Z amps, which are in the Voxish category, with some Fender thrown in.  I have a Splawn Quickrod (similar to a hot rodded JCM800 in a lot of ways) but it's a very single purpose amp for me, and I have to really work to tame the high end.

I'm more of a Fender/Vox guy than anything.  I don't have a cab with a G12-65 in it, but I plan on buying one, or putting a G12-65 in my Avatar 1x12 1/2 back cube cabinet when I get the Overtone.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2008, 04:49:32 AM »

I gather that you haven't bought the amp yet...
I'm using the Jensen Blackbirds these sound quite smooth with OTS.  see the brown note discussion on these. So G12-65 are not the only options.
I'd say greenbacks and possibly V30 could sound harsh.
There is high end on tap but it's not ice pick it's the clarity of the amp.
I haven't played a HRM so I can't comment here, I was going for more of the 70-80's dumble sounds when I built mine. So I wanted the OD a bit rawer sounding.
I run a Les Paul with Duncan Antiquities too, it suits the amp nicely so does a Vintage Tele. These amps are not one trick ponies. What you put in you get out.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009, 04:45:33 PM »

Compared to Fenders or Vox type amps... OTS is not bright or even harsh sounding amp.
I'm using g12-65 and with that I would describe the tone as warm and smooth with enough hi end to be heard in band situation.
 
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009, 07:57:45 PM »

Tubes play an important factor as well. I just chnaged the power tubes to Sovtek 5881's. Huge impact on the sound.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2009, 05:25:48 PM »

I played a  blackface Super Reverb for years before switching to Dr Z Maz 18 and Maz 38's around 2002.  I like the Dr Z amps, which are in the Voxish category, with some Fender thrown in.  I have a Splawn Quickrod (similar to a hot rodded JCM800 in a lot of ways) but it's a very single purpose amp for me, and I have to really work to tame the high end.

I'm more of a Fender/Vox guy than anything.  I don't have a cab with a G12-65 in it, but I plan on buying one, or putting a G12-65 in my Avatar 1x12 1/2 back cube cabinet when I get the Overtone.

I have been a pro or semi-pro guitarist for about 30 years. I've  used either a '72 m/v Twin Reverb or '66 Super Reverb for most of that time. I also got the Dr Z bug when I had some extra cash in my pocket.  I found the MAZ 18 to be somewhat voxish but that that characteristic did not really stand out on stage. The MAZ 38 did not sound voxish to me and not really any different for stage purposes, than the Super Reverb. The nice thing about both Z amps is that I was able to sell them quickly for what I paid for them. Top quality amps, no doubt, but it seemed that I could always find an overdrive pedal that would give me the sound I needed with the Fender.

I picked up the OTS in May, just to satisfy my curiosity about the Dumble tone. I have fallen in love with it since then. The Dumble tone is pretty cool, but for my work it is of limited use, so my love for this amp comes from it amazing versatility. It is very sensitive to various switch and knob combinations, speakers, loop devices, etc. It is a handful compared to a Dr Z or Super Reverb, but you can do things with it that cannot  be done with anything else but another d-style OD amp. The clean tone is really better than the Fender and it handles all sort of pedals very well. If you play live and need to use a variety of tones it may take a while to get all the settings right, but it will be worth it.

As to all the mods and speaker combinations you will need to hear it for yourself and then decide.
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2009, 06:24:44 AM »

I have the standard version from July '08. I too run Sovtek 5881's and love everything about this amp. I did, however, remove the FET input and board and installed an actual "deep" switch. This along with the bright and mid boost give me all the various tones I could ask for. The amp takes some time to get to know and it really does get better sounding as time goes by. I'm driving a Jensen C12K from a '65 Twin reissue. I get awesome, tight lows and sparkly highs in clean mode. Nice grit, crunch, and singing mids and highs for leads and rhythm. I also put a 15pf bright cap on the master.  I truly believe that I will never need another amp!
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2009, 11:06:10 PM »

I love 5881's as well. Thanks to a few good peoplle here  Grin
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