I swapped out the EVM12L in my 50 watt Ceriatone OTS for a late 70's Celestion G12-65 and I am liking it a whole lot better. It especially sounds way netter with my Grosh Strat. I have tried many times over the years to get into the EVN12L which everyone reccomends for these "D" type amps but they always sound one dimensional to me, on my Boogies, Fuchs, and other amps. Maybe it takes a 100 watter to make it work but my Fuchs was a 135 Musicman rebuild? Oh well anybody else feeling the same way?