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« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2008, 11:50:45 PM »
Thanks Mitch. Jack's P90 clip sure sounded good, so I'll try them in my LP double cut as you suggest.  I've got the 12 65s and EVs.  The Humbuckers just seem to lack the definition and do sound a bit dark/muddy in comparison to the single coils. I have single coil EMGs in one guitar that really gets close to Larry Carltons tone.  I have to believe that something will make the Humbuckers work, just not sure what. Scott Lerner's sound great in his SLX amps.  I wonder if there's another mod needed?
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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2008, 05:38:21 AM »
Quote from: scotto on May 14, 2008, 11:50:45 PM
Thanks Mitch. Jack's P90 clip sure sounded good, so I'll try them in my LP double cut as you suggest.  I've got the 12 65s and EVs.  The Humbuckers just seem to lack the definition and do sound a bit dark/muddy in comparison to the single coils. I have single coil EMGs in one guitar that really gets close to Larry Carltons tone.  I have to believe that something will make the Humbuckers work, just not sure what. Scott Lerner's sound great in his SLX amps.  I wonder if there's another mod needed?


The Overtone has an inherently 'middle-frequency' bias- using humbuckers (especially un-potted one's like the SL's) makes this mid frequency hump even more pronounced; I suggest experimenting with changing the deep/bright switch caps in the amp - not sure what values you'd need to brighten the response - any of the other guys here could chip in with advice on that? 
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I forgot to say that I also installed treble bleed caps in my Les Paul too- so if you dial back on the volume you don't  darken your tone- easy to do and plenty of advice on the web about that mod.  Maybe the deal with the Seth Lover pup's is that they were designed to mimic exactly the tones of original PAF's in Les Paul's - which were intended to be Jazz guitars!  You might also try Eric Johnson signature humbuckers- which look like standard pups still with all the noise cancelling etc... but sound much  like single coils- apparently Eric Johnson had the same 'too-dark' problem with humbuckers - so we're in good company then!  Grin
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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2008, 08:40:20 AM »
Thanks again Mitch.  I was actually wondering about the EJ dimarzios.  I also thought about the treble bleed cap, but the SLs are sufficiently far away from the sound I'm looking for that I think surgery is needed.  I have some P90s in my junk bin so I'll try them first in my faded Gibson LP DC.  My main guitar is a  Hamer custom Artist and that has the SLs.  If the P90s work in the LP I might try Seymour's Humbucker sized P90s.  Any suggestions on amp changes very welcome.
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« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2008, 09:30:10 AM »
Quote from: Mitch on May 15, 2008, 05:38:21 AM
I forgot to say that I also installed treble bleed caps in my Les Paul too-

What value caps did you use Mitch. I'm about to do the same on my Ibanez 335.

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« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2008, 09:50:06 AM »
I have a question regarding the 330 pF caps on V-2...are these caps directional?  Does it matter which way they go on?  Thanks in advance:-)
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« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2008, 10:05:40 AM »
Quote from: hywelg on May 15, 2008, 09:30:10 AM
Quote from: Mitch on May 15, 2008, 05:38:21 AM
I forgot to say that I also installed treble bleed caps in my Les Paul too-

What value caps did you use Mitch. I'm about to do the same on my Ibanez 335.

Cheers

Hywel Harris

The Volume bleed caps I use in my Les Paul have a .0022 mfd capacitor in parallel with a 100k resistor.  These values are recommended by Seymour Duncan and they work really well in my Les Paul- hope this helps-
Cheers, Mitch.
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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2008, 01:46:29 PM »
Quote from: poipounder57 on May 15, 2008, 09:50:06 AM
I have a question regarding the 330 pF caps on V-2...are these caps directional?  Does it matter which way they go on?  Thanks in advance:-)

I think not since the originals weren't

Quote from: Mitch on May 15, 2008, 10:05:40 AM
The Volume bleed caps I use in my Les Paul have a .0022 mfd capacitor in parallel with a 100k resistor.  These values are recommended by Seymour Duncan and they work really well in my Les Paul- hope this helps-
Cheers, Mitch.

Doesn't the 100k resistor prevent you turning the volume all the way off? I've seen it mentioned that you only need the resistor if the cap is switcheable on a push/pull pot so that you don't get a 'pop' when you switch it out of circuit.

I've bought 0.001 uF to do my 335. I'll let you know how it works.

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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2008, 01:55:03 PM »
Quote from: scotto on May 14, 2008, 11:50:45 PM
Thanks Mitch. Jack's P90 clip sure sounded good, so I'll try them in my LP double cut as you suggest.  I've got the 12 65s and EVs.  The Humbuckers just seem to lack the definition and do sound a bit dark/muddy in comparison to the single coils. I have single coil EMGs in one guitar that really gets close to Larry Carltons tone.  I have to believe that something will make the Humbuckers work, just not sure what. Scott Lerner's sound great in his SLX amps.  I wonder if there's another mod needed?

Scotto, if you want clarity in a humbucker you have to go for low output vintage PAF type spec. If you go for higher output you will lose treble and gain mid, and this is the same for single coils. I have Fralin Vintage Hot and Blues Special s/c's and Fralin PAF h/b's They are all good but I like the vintage hots best, lovely clarity. You will also find a big difference in quality of tone between machine wound and handwound pups. Fralin does a really nice Unbucker with low output but unbalanced coils that tap really well, if I could find a set cheap I'd have them aswell.
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« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2008, 05:34:21 PM »
Thanks Hywelg.  I believe the Seth Lovers that I have are vintage spec. I'll try the treble bleed in that guitar and a P90 in the other one. I'm traveling now so it will wait till next week.  I'll post results when I'm done.
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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2008, 06:32:06 PM »
Doesn't the 100k resistor prevent you turning the volume all the way off? I've seen it mentioned that you only need the resistor if the cap is switcheable on a push/pull pot so that you don't get a 'pop' when you switch it out of circuit.

I've bought 0.001 uF to do my 335. I'll let you know how it works.

The resistor in parallel actually ensures the volume control behaves normally- otherwise treble frequencies may get too 'out of balance' at the bottom end of the pot travel- so the opposite is true I guess, but please experiment- sometimes that extra clarity & treble boost might be what's needed... Grin

Cheers! Mitch
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« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2008, 07:12:44 PM »
Thanks Jack for sharing the layout!!!  I completed the modifications and I'm loving it!!! Chair Dance Chair Dance Chair Dance

Aloha Cool
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« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2008, 07:18:34 PM »
Quote from: poipounder57 on May 15, 2008, 09:50:06 AM
I have a question regarding the 330 pF caps on V-2...are these caps directional?  Does it matter which way they go on?  Thanks in advance:-)

What was the answer to your question above?
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« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2008, 09:35:44 PM »
Quote from: chipdog on May 15, 2008, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: poipounder57 on May 15, 2008, 09:50:06 AM
I have a question regarding the 330 pF caps on V-2...are these caps directional?  Does it matter which way they go on?  Thanks in advance:-)

What was the answer to your question above?

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Quote from: poipounder57 on May 15, 2008, 09:50:06 AM
I have a question regarding the 330 pF caps on V-2...are these caps directional?  Does it matter which way they go on?  Thanks in advance:-)

I think not since the originals weren't

Mahalo (Thanks) hywelg!!!
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« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2008, 11:16:05 AM »
Newbie question to Jack:

Will your mod make a big difference if the OTS is used at low volumes ? I will be using the amp with a Sadowsky Semi-Hollow - both are yet to arrive - but just to be prepared....

And if this is an improvement, will Nik of Ceriatone possibly do the tweaks ?...the amp is due on delivery within 8 weeks from now - so there is some time left.

P.S.: Guess who made me order the OTS  Wink

Thanks for the demos on YouTube. I wish you a nice day from Switzerland.

Mike
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« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2008, 05:36:55 PM »
It sounds great at all volume levels. I have no problem getting a gorgeous jazz or gorgeous robben tone even at very low volumes. I also use a sadowsky semi and it gets a gorgeous jazz tone. I have some clips of that combo up on youtube at  http://www.youtube.com/sheetsofsound.

I believe Nik's now using the updated tweaked layout as his standard.

Quote from: Mike on May 18, 2008, 11:16:05 AM
Newbie question to Jack:

Will your mod make a big difference if the OTS is used at low volumes ? I will be using the amp with a Sadowsky Semi-Hollow - both are yet to arrive - but just to be prepared....

And if this is an improvement, will Nik of Ceriatone possibly do the tweaks ?...the amp is due on delivery within 8 weeks from now - so there is some time left.

P.S.: Guess who made me order the OTS  Wink

Thanks for the demos on YouTube. I wish you a nice day from Switzerland.

Mike
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