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Claws
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« on: October 24, 2010, 07:21:55 PM »

Hi friends. I have a OTS 50 watt standard; I really like it but I can´t seem to find the sweet-spots in the tweaking.

My needs are: the clean channel to be a crunchy and to clean up with the volume knob on my guitar. Best result here, for me, is first volume up to 15 o clock, PAB and deep on. With this setting and my tele I got quite a vintage-ish, dirty sound that cleans either when I switch PAB off or back off with guitarknob. The problem is to dial in balance with the lead channel. I got ratio at max but I still think that the clean channel cut the mix so much better than the lead.

Any suggestions?

My intention is to use my ernieball volume pedal, to control gain instead of using PAB on and off (and leave it ON all the time) just because I think PAB sounds better and in some how a volume pedal (Mr. Ernie) reacts better (different) than the volume control of my guitar.

Thanks for inputs!


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Re: Setting suggestions

« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 08:30:35 PM »

They are tricky amps to find your favourite settings
not sure what you meant by 15 o'clock,
Seems a shame to use PAB constantly. It gives a mid-boost and bass cut which it sounds like you are remedying with the deep switch, and you lose all the EQ control permanently
Why not just crank the preamp up more?
I like it clean when pedal is off, which is 5 on my HRM BM50, and 7 or 8 on the master vol. Then I add boost/OD with the pedals
The OD is hard to get right. I use both on 5, and the trim on about 11 oclock, but I don't add much OD. I think the OTS D-styles sound best with just a touch of OD, since I think it's closer to a fuzz tone, anything more sounds nasal to me, so I can see why for heavier OD you prefer the clean channel


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Re: Setting suggestions

« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2010, 09:24:01 AM »

Thanks for your help! 15.00 o´clock, I mean ca 7-8.

The PAB does in deed cut bass and boost mids. I don´t find some much use of that feature? How do you use it?

But with the midboost (deep switch) on, the PAB makes the sound fatter, and acts more like a a second mode with a little bit more push in it.

That´s the setting I was prefering. Clean with PAB, OD and OD with PAB.

I have tried your preampgain setting, high like 7-8 but I find it quite hard to balance the drive then, even with full ratio. I have the unmodded original OTS, but I really like the sound of it so I don´t think HRM is for me (even though I guess that amp is more "Robben"?)

Thanks!!


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Re: Setting suggestions

« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2010, 09:48:40 AM »

have you got it set to rock or Jazz?
I think the PAB EQ is intended to work as a lead boost, probably especially for single coils

I probably use this amp differently to most people, so there will be other tones. I did not get it to copy RF or LC
I also have the Fuchs ODS (with no HRM), and although the clean sounds are different, the OD is similar.
I just use the HRM to smooth off the treble on the OD, otherwise you need to change the clean preamp EQ to change the OD - and not as effectively


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Re: Setting suggestions

« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 09:57:04 AM »

Hi Mr Tone! I use the bright switch down, deep up, rock up.

Do you find the amp to be enough on it´s own to work on gigs without pedals? If not, wich pedals do you use?

My other rig is a Fender Vibro King, pedals are BJ Honey Bee, Timmy, Les Lius. Compared to a alone OTS that´s a whole other soundscape!

By the way; I use 99% telecasters, humbucking guitar is a Duesenberg Starplayer.
Thanks!


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Re: Setting suggestions

« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 10:37:45 AM »

On my HRM BM, the deep switch is wired the wrong way up. Recent posts say this is a mistake in the schematic, and everyone has the same issue - just check which way is really on. Which model do you have? I thought the standard did not have a deep switch

I just do studio stuff with mine, I've occasionally used a Carl Martin Quattro and EHX Cathedral with it though. I only just got these after renouncing pedals for 10 years, so I haven't heard of your ones
I find teh BM does Fender Twin sounds quite well, and having the deep switch off lets me lost the excess bass when using a neck pickup
Aside from that, I think light use of the OD adds a little grit, nice on bluesy stuff, but it's not power-amp OD. I think You can do the Santana sound too.

For a full range of sounds for varied live work, I don't think any amp really delivers. Having a Twin-relation as a blank canvas and using pedals is a fair approach
After all, the OTS amps are not magical, they're just a clone of a modded Fender Twin really, with built in (valve) fuzz that sounds clearer and warmer than fuzz boxes.

For the way you are saying you use the amp, a JTM45 might be nicer for the crunch, I was amazed how much I like the one I found. I always thought I was a Fender/Vox guy. To get more or different crunch you could use EL84s via THD yellow jackets, but I didn't liek the sound when I tried them in my Twin


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Re: Setting suggestions

« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2010, 11:33:14 PM »

Quote from: Claws on October 25, 2010, 09:24:01 AM

..........I have tried your preampgain setting, high like 7-8 but I find it quite hard to balance the drive then, even with full ratio.

I play strats and tele like you and I also like the volume at 7-8 in order to 'feed' the amp like a humbucker guitar would with the volume at 5.

In order to get a proper balance between OD and clean, I have replaced the 100K Ratio Pot for a 250K pot and omitted the 180K resistor going into the pot.....I have simply shortet the 180k resistor with a small piece of wire.

With this 'mod' I can get a lot more OD volume - more than double the OD volume with the 100k pot, and now I have the Ratio at 5 (instead of before the mod, when I had to have the ratio knob at 10) - leaving me plenty of volume in reserve.

Simple really.


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Re: Setting suggestions

« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2010, 02:44:15 AM »

This is what i do with my tele. I leave a compressor on all the time. (dyna comp) with the volume all the way up and the sensativity usually at 11 o clock. Clean vol 6, treble 3-4, mids 6, bass 4. Presence 7-8, and master to taste. I have the OD trimmer pretty low and i keep the ratio at about 6.

For your "Clean channel" crunch you might want to turn the master up to get the dirtiness you want, the volume control still cleans up your signal beautifly and the amp really sings.
Edit: i have the mid boost on (labeled deep) bright sw off and rock setting


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