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Ceriatone => Overtone => Topic started by: marshall123 on May 02, 2013, 12:35:52 AM



Title: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: marshall123 on May 02, 2013, 12:35:52 AM
Hey lads
New to this forum and it's good to be here, at the moment I'm using a line 6 hd500 for gigging, as I sold my Marshall vm, I'm looking for an amp again though instead of the line 6.

I suppose the tone I'm after is joe bonamassa (royal Albert hall sound).

I know he uses a Marshall and dumble style amp running together, and eventually I'd like to have both but for now I'm gonna start with one.

There is a modded 50w overtone combo for sale in my area, it has been built by a very respected amp maker, it's just if I go and play it I can't compare to the original.

I will post the listing on the next page of what's been done to the amp and ye guys can have a read and leave me know, if it will improve the tone or take away from the original.


Thanks
N


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: marshall123 on May 02, 2013, 12:38:50 AM
Below is the text from the seller of the amp.

"Overtone Special Reverb built using Ceriatone chassis and panels.

This is the ‘Skyliner EQ’ version of the OTS which gives a smooth overdrive tone varying from slight crunch to hi-gain and everything in between.
Some modifications to the circuitry as follows:
Circuit upgraded to include Fender AB763 type reverb.
The pre O/D gain control has been extended to the front panel and takes the position of the FET input socket (FET input removed). This allows matching of your guitar gain without dismantling the amplifier.
Reverb ‘Dwell’ and level controls fitted on rear panel.
Transformers by Hammond and Marshall.
Presence control has been converted to overdrive channel tone cut control.
When mid boost or O/D channel are engaged the reverb drive is automatically reduced to avoid overload.
Recently serviced with new output valves (JJ 6L6)

In combo cabinet with Celestion G12-65 Heritage speaker.
Supplied with custom cover and 3 switch footswitch (Reverb, Overdrive and Preamp Boost)"


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: hywelg on May 03, 2013, 04:51:54 PM
Sorry to disillusion you but you wont sound like JB with an OTS. Besides the fact that he runs stereo, he never runs his Dumble clones without the Marshall running at the same time.

Get the Marshall first and add pedals to get into the right ballpark. Check out Nik's Marshall clones and derivatives.


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: marshall123 on May 03, 2013, 04:58:03 PM
Hey I know he uses multiple amps together and eventually would like to get a Marshall, it's just the overtone is going cheap.

I do like other tones other than bonamassa, like John mayers tone.

I was thinking that the overtone with a tube screamer would be a good start. Seen as it says that this is a modded version and get good gain.


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: plasticvonaband on May 03, 2013, 09:24:07 PM
Whenever I hear Bonomassa, I hear WAY more Marshall, especially the Jubilee, and fuzz than Dumble in his sound. The Dumble adds another layer, but it is subtle.

Gregg


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: marshall123 on May 03, 2013, 09:27:19 PM
Hey guys thanks for chipping in with the help, looks like im after a jubilee so or clone first, looking to preferably buy second hand, if ye know of anyone selling either one.


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: plasticvonaband on May 03, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
Nik can build you a 2550 50 w for $850 USD or a 2555 100 w for $970 USD both with cabs, plus shipping.

Gregg


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: marshall123 on May 03, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
I know and it's a great price it's just, shipping and 26 percent vat and customs then in Ireland is what gets me.


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: plasticvonaband on May 04, 2013, 02:03:01 AM
Ah, yeah the dreaded VAT. Damn. Hmm I'm sure there has to be a used one somewhere in Ireland, maybe.
Gregg


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: hurtwoodec on May 04, 2013, 08:09:02 AM
Hey I know he uses multiple amps together and eventually would like to get a Marshall, it's just the overtone is going cheap.

I do like other tones other than bonamassa, like John mayers tone.

I was thinking that the overtone with a tube screamer would be a good start. Seen as it says that this is a modded version and get good gain.

I went this way for bonamassa ie D style amp and mashally pedal. It worked out better imho cause its easier to replicate a good marshall tone with a pedal, much harder to get D style bloom from a pedal. And if you do it expensive ie Zen or Dumkudo or Ethos running up to several hundred bucks vs marshal clone pedals at $150 ish.

my 2c

oh and you wont get close to Mayer with a Marshall


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: captainbackfire on May 07, 2013, 08:48:34 PM
Hey I know he uses multiple amps together and eventually would like to get a Marshall, it's just the overtone is going cheap.

I do like other tones other than bonamassa, like John mayers tone.

I was thinking that the overtone with a tube screamer would be a good start. Seen as it says that this is a modded version and get good gain.

I went this way for bonamassa ie D style amp and mashally pedal. It worked out better imho cause its easier to replicate a good marshall tone with a pedal, much harder to get D style bloom from a pedal. And if you do it expensive ie Zen or Dumkudo or Ethos running up to several hundred bucks vs marshal clone pedals at $150 ish.

my 2c

oh and you wont get close to Mayer with a Marshall

+1


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: hurtwoodec on May 08, 2013, 09:41:48 PM
the only little problem with a bluesmaster idea is that at the end of the day Bonamassa's tone is not a processed as you think amd his dumble tone is from a HRM variant called a Van Weelden. True he does use pedals but his base lead tone is a mix of the jubilee and the van weeldens (dumble clones). From what I gather the van weelden is a HRM dumble and not a bluesmaster variant. He uses the dumble clone to layer over the top of the jubilee for big leads, and its really hard to control that amount of gain and do it well - kudos to Joe!


Title: Re: Questions before I buy my overtone?
Post by: StratUltra on May 09, 2013, 10:38:55 AM
I concur with going to the dumble type amp and add to the OD with a pedal to get bonnamassa tones. I achieve this buy running both a TIM and OD on my two rock and rolling down on the tone of my bridge PUP