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« Reply #60 on: September 17, 2008, 07:03:30 PM »


Interesting setup Cinstan. I guess that small box is something akin to a Kleinulator? I'm in the process of putting together something very similar, a G# and a BBE
Are you referring to the G Major, like this unit?


How do you like it as apposed to stomp boxes?
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« Reply #61 on: September 17, 2008, 08:16:48 PM »

No the G-Sharp is the cheaper unit. So far so good, as others have reported the delays and reverbs are good with many many options you don't get on a pedal. The chorus effects are good enough for me, and I will be losing my Boss from the pedalboard soon, but to be fair I never used it much.

Vibratos and tremolos I'm not keen on so won't comment, however the Flanger and Phaser sounds I think are poor. I've got an EVH MXR unit on my pedal board and it is much better than the G# so thats staying.

As I needed a delay pedal, and wanted a reverb unit with this amp, the G# was an easy choice to make coming in at less than half the cost of two good pedals. One downside is that even with the volume maxed on the G#, there is a loss of volume with it in the loop, and though its difficult to hear, there is a loss of tone, but only very marginal. The bypass is not a hardwired bypass so the signal stays degraded even when no effects are on. I must add though that this is very marginal, and indeed might in part be due to the signal level drop not driving the PI or powertubes quite as hard.

My plans are to, at the very least, make some sort of hard bypass switch to take the unit out of the loop and then I will need something to boost the signal when it is in circuit. I'm hoping the BBE Max-X2 will do this, but I'm not that confident. I will probably end up with a Kleinulator, though I intend modding this to have a hardbypass function, either on the box or via a footswitch. I'm not prepared to trade off tone for effects in the loop so the bypass will allow the OTS to sing its heart out when I need it to.
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« Reply #62 on: September 17, 2008, 08:19:36 PM »

Sounds like fun.
That box is actually a loop switcher. It selects one of two loops connected to the EFX loop of the OTS based upon which mode the amp is in: clean or OD.
Currently the BBE and the reverb are in the path when in clean mode and just the reverb in OD. The reverb has enough output gain, and its input impedance is high enough so that a kleinulator is not needed.

About your crossover idea-the only caution I might have is it sounds like you're planning to sum the two outputs of the xover together? Depending on the design of the xover used, you may need to isolate them from one another with a mixer stage, it's unlikely that it will be happy with a "Y' cord type of connection. You may be better off with an EQ of some kind if what you really want is powerful tone control...just a thought.
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« Reply #63 on: September 18, 2008, 10:13:14 AM »

Do you use a Kleinulator?
I have a G_sharp as well. Combined with the Kleinlulator I get no loss of volume. The Kleinulator does change to tone of the amp ofcourse (for the better).

No the G-Sharp is the cheaper unit. So far so good, as others have reported the delays and reverbs are good with many many options you don't get on a pedal. The chorus effects are good enough for me, and I will be losing my Boss from the pedalboard soon, but to be fair I never used it much.

Vibratos and tremolos I'm not keen on so won't comment, however the Flanger and Phaser sounds I think are poor. I've got an EVH MXR unit on my pedal board and it is much better than the G# so thats staying.

As I needed a delay pedal, and wanted a reverb unit with this amp, the G# was an easy choice to make coming in at less than half the cost of two good pedals. One downside is that even with the volume maxed on the G#, there is a loss of volume with it in the loop, and though its difficult to hear, there is a loss of tone, but only very marginal. The bypass is not a hardwired bypass so the signal stays degraded even when no effects are on. I must add though that this is very marginal, and indeed might in part be due to the signal level drop not driving the PI or powertubes quite as hard.

My plans are to, at the very least, make some sort of hard bypass switch to take the unit out of the loop and then I will need something to boost the signal when it is in circuit. I'm hoping the BBE Max-X2 will do this, but I'm not that confident. I will probably end up with a Kleinulator, though I intend modding this to have a hardbypass function, either on the box or via a footswitch. I'm not prepared to trade off tone for effects in the loop so the bypass will allow the OTS to sing its heart out when I need it to.
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« Reply #64 on: September 18, 2008, 12:56:02 PM »

About your crossover idea-the only caution I might have is it sounds like you're planning to sum the two outputs of the xover together? Depending on the design of the xover used, you may need to isolate them from one another with a mixer stage, it's unlikely that it will be happy with a "Y' cord type of connection. You may be better off with an EQ of some kind if what you really want is powerful tone control...just a thought.

It is going to be suck it and see. I'm not wedded to it especially since i did need a crossover for my PA anyway. Summing the two outputs should work since both high and low outs have their own gain so its not as if I'll be overloading the input to the G#. If that doesn't work I'll simply turn the crossover frequency down to 80Hz and use the high out only and see what that sounds like (bottom E on guitar is 80Hz I think). It has arrived but I haven't had chance to make a splitter cable yet, probably this evening.
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« Reply #65 on: September 18, 2008, 12:59:51 PM »

Do you use a Kleinulator?
I have a G_sharp as well. Combined with the Kleinlulator I get no loss of volume Tone seems the same too. The Kleinulator does change to tone of the amp ofcourse (for the better).

No K yet, might well be going that route, need to find a rack mount box to house it and a means of hardbypassing it. You wouldn't get any loss of volume with the K in the loop, but I do with just the G#.

It does worry me that the K changes the tone. I want more sparkle and chime not less.
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« Reply #66 on: September 18, 2008, 02:46:35 PM »

Sorry I made a mistake in my prvious post.  The Klein DOES alter the sound of the amp.

I'd say the Klein doesn't take away the sparkle. It makes it less harsh. As soon as I have the time I'll try toi post some a/b clips. Never done that though. So I have to experiment a bit.
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« Reply #67 on: September 18, 2008, 03:00:21 PM »


Interesting setup Cinstan. I guess that small box is something akin to a Kleinulator? I'm in the process of putting together something very similar, a G# and a BBE
Are you referring to the G Major, like this unit?


How do you like it as apposed to stomp boxes?

Probably the BEST (compact and comparably cheap) solution for the OTS. It can switch channels, has great EQ, noise gate and other effects. It can be controlled via  Gminor footswitch  which also works as a tuner and so on.
Also with G major you DO NOT NEED klein/dumbleator! You can adjust everything with IN and OUT controls on G major.
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« Reply #68 on: September 18, 2008, 04:23:58 PM »

Are you referring to the G Major, like this unit?


How do you like it as apposed to stomp boxes?

Probably the BEST (compact and comparably cheap) solution for the OTS. It can switch channels, has great EQ, noise gate and other effects. It can be controlled via  Gminor footswitch  which also works as a tuner and so on.
Also with G major you DO NOT NEED klein/dumbleator! You can adjust everything with IN and OUT controls on G major.


Interesting options on that unit. To be honest I wasn't sure that I would like the digital delays and reverbs at all so I went with the cheapest TC option and it has worked out well. One thing that put me off the G-Major was the lack of any knobs with the G# I can se exactly what is set where, however there is a big downside that I wasn't aware of, loading presets tells you nothing about what settings were used so you're going to need to make a handwritten note.
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« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2008, 01:47:16 PM »

New pic with Kleinulator in rack
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« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2008, 02:36:53 PM »

Very impressive, just what I am aiming to achieve myself. Did you mount the Klein parts in the rack enclosure? Where did you get the rack enclosure from? I'm still trying to find one. How are you powering it?
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« Reply #71 on: September 19, 2008, 03:09:47 PM »

I got the parts from Nik.
Bought a rack in a store near my house. I'm sure you can buy them online. Get a shallow and light one. you don't need a big heavy rack. I drilled the holes and installed all the hardware and a friend of mine soldered it all together.

I use a good quality adapter (Diago) which powers all my pedals and the Kleinulator.

I discovered something intersting today. I had quite a bit of hum. By setting the Send to max and easing back on the Return I was able to get rid of the noise completely. The peak leds of the G Sharp now go in to the Yellow (and red).



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« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2008, 04:20:22 AM »

A couple of pics of my OTS combo I built


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« Reply #73 on: September 23, 2008, 05:21:29 AM »

Beautiful looking combo you have there.
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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2008, 04:56:35 PM »

Nice job on this combo!
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