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Title: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 01, 2010, 06:07:05 PM
Erwin made a believer out of me. I don't know which version, HRM, HRM-BM, they sure sound nice for archtop duty with a reverb.

Someone ought to tell some of the big jazz players, like Pat Martino, GB, Rosenwinkel, Metheny and the like. Rosenwinkel especially could benefit, as he often plays with distortion, as well as straight ahead archtop.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: erwin_ve on February 01, 2010, 06:45:38 PM
My jazz recording was with Non Hrm.
But Bluesmasters have bigger cleans. I heard Larry Carlton play his Bludo(which is a bluesmaster) live. It has awesome cleans.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 01, 2010, 08:39:50 PM
My jazz recording was with Non Hrm.
But Bluesmasters have bigger cleans. I heard Larry Carlton play his Bludo(which is a bluesmaster) live. It has awesome cleans.

Interesting Larry picked the Bludo for his road duty. He bypassed all the fancy Two Rocks (geez they'd probably name a Signature model after him, $10,000....), Bruno, Glaswerks, Fuchs.... and picked the Bludotone.

I wish Nik would do a partnership with Bludo, maybe offer a kit version and distribution, parts, service etc. Get around those nasty "duty" import fees.

Nik nor Bludo can keep up with demand it seems. Gotta love that, someone is doing well in these horrible times. How many companies can say that?

On a side note, I am well aware of the VAT/Import taxes Europeans pay. If I was a big company like Gibson, PRS Fender I'd open a plant somewhere, perhaps the UK, Holland, Germany etc, making guitars of equal  quality as their American counterparts.  As it is now, most Europeans pay about double for something like a Les Paul.  I'm sure that kills demand, just a little bit  :}


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: Pickmaster on February 02, 2010, 11:58:18 AM
Ceriatone and Bludo collaboration ??? Why?
Nik makes OTS almost three times cheaper then Brandon and quality is pretty similar and it’s much cheaper to import amps from Asia then US. I know. I’ve played several two Rocks, Fuchs, Skrydstrup and bludos, including Larry’s one side by side with OTS.

Japanese in 80’s used to built much more high quality “gibsons and fenders” then original US companies.   In UK there are couple of instrument  builders who build better quality guitars and basses then in US, Patrick Eggle and Status comes to mind. But people desire NAMES and “made in US” label  more then quality this days.

By the way I’ve played Robben’s (actually Larry’s) Gibson with $100 000 price tag on it side by side with Robben's Sakashta Nu Paul and Sakashta was MUCH better instrument in every way.

No offence my US friend, just facts.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 03, 2010, 05:45:21 PM
Ceriatone and Bludo collaboration ??? Why?

Why not? Nik could get a tube effects loop and Bludo could get a whole new kit based line and royalties.
It might be "cool", who knows?

Quote from: Pickmaster

Nik makes OTS almost three times cheaper then Brandon and quality is pretty similar and it’s much cheaper to import amps from Asia then US. I know. I’ve played several two Rocks, Fuchs, Skrydstrup and bludos, including Larry’s one side by side with OTS.

And the Ceriatone was  every bit as good? Not everyone on the  Gear Page  would agree, but what do they know?


Quote from: Pickmaster
Japanese in 80’s used to built much more high quality “gibsons and fenders” then original US companies.   

Maybe, up to '86. Gibson has been pretty good since being freed of Norlin. I've got a LP , SG, ES175 and L5 from the 1990s, and they are all super fine guitars. Each and every one.

Quote from: Pickmaster
By the way I’ve played Robben’s (actually Larry’s) Gibson with $100 000 price tag on it side by side with Robben's Sakashta Nu Paul and Sakashta was MUCH better instrument in every way.

No offence my US friend, just facts.


I'm not much for ES335s. I've been playing guitar longer than most here have been alive too. 

I can't get over that reversed pickguard on the Japanese LP copy. Is that how they avoid another lawsuit from Gibson? Gibson shut down Ibanez, also shutdown PRS's line of "singlecut" guitars for years too.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: Alpedra on February 05, 2010, 09:23:46 PM
Robben´s Sakashta is not a Japanese LP copy at all. It´s built by one of the finest luthiers in the business and is made in the USA (although Taku Sakashta is indeed japanese). Not that it would matter to me, if it was indeed built in Japan. It does look like a LP, but only on the outside. But I wouldn´t call it a copy, but only inspired by the LP design. There are quite a few differences in the looks. Enough not to be taken for a Gibson, IMHO.

Every part is meticulously chosen. Woods, hardware, electronics. It´s chambered. And built to perfection. It costs around USD 10.000,00. I wished I could afford one.... but it´s way over my budget...


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 06, 2010, 03:06:17 AM
Robben´s Sakashta is not a Japanese LP copy at all. It´s built by one of the finest luthiers in the business and is made in the USA (although Taku Sakashta is indeed japanese). Not that it would matter to me, if it was indeed built in Japan. It does look like a LP, but only on the outside. But I wouldn´t call it a copy, but only inspired by the LP design. There are quite a few differences in the looks. Enough not to be taken for a Gibson, IMHO.

Every part is meticulously chosen. Woods, hardware, electronics. It´s chambered. And built to perfection. It costs around USD 10.000,00. I wished I could afford one.... but it´s way over my budget...

I'm kind of of the opinion solid body guitars shouldn't cost anywhere  near that. Archtop jazz boxes yes, Les Pauls and variations, no. Sorry. Crank up the distortion and one humbucking equipped  guitar sounds awfully similar to the next. Even a Les Paul and an PRS.

Don't get me wrong. If someone wants to donate a '59 Michael Bloomfield Reissue LP, gloss finish, I'd love one. $7300? You kiddin' me?


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: bluesfendermanblues on February 06, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
Robben´s Sakashta is not a Japanese LP copy at all. It´s built by one of the finest luthiers in the business and is made in the USA (although Taku Sakashta is indeed japanese). Not that it would matter to me, if it was indeed built in Japan. It does look like a LP, but only on the outside. But I wouldn´t call it a copy, but only inspired by the LP design. There are quite a few differences in the looks. Enough not to be taken for a Gibson, IMHO.

Every part is meticulously chosen. Woods, hardware, electronics. It´s chambered. And built to perfection. It costs around USD 10.000,00. I wished I could afford one.... but it´s way over my budget...

I'm kind of of the opinion solid body guitars shouldn't cost anywhere  near that. Archtop jazz boxes yes, Les Pauls and variations, no. Sorry. Crank up the distortion and one humbucking equipped  guitar sounds awfully similar to the next. Even a Les Paul and an PRS.

Don't get me wrong. If someone wants to donate a '59 Michael Bloomfield Reissue LP, gloss finish, I'd love one. $7300? You kiddin' me?

Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waste of other forum members time??


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: Pickmaster on February 06, 2010, 02:41:27 PM
Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waster of other forummembers time??

+1 !!!


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 07, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
Robben´s Sakashta is not a Japanese LP copy at all. It´s built by one of the finest luthiers in the business and is made in the USA (although Taku Sakashta is indeed japanese). Not that it would matter to me, if it was indeed built in Japan. It does look like a LP, but only on the outside. But I wouldn´t call it a copy, but only inspired by the LP design. There are quite a few differences in the looks. Enough not to be taken for a Gibson, IMHO.

Every part is meticulously chosen. Woods, hardware, electronics. It´s chambered. And built to perfection. It costs around USD 10.000,00. I wished I could afford one.... but it´s way over my budget...

I'm kind of of the opinion solid body guitars shouldn't cost anywhere  near that. Archtop jazz boxes yes, Les Pauls and variations, no. Sorry. Crank up the distortion and one humbucking equipped  guitar sounds awfully similar to the next. Even a Les Paul and an PRS.

Don't get me wrong. If someone wants to donate a '59 Michael Bloomfield Reissue LP, gloss finish, I'd love one. $7300? You kiddin' me?

Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waste of other forum members time??


OK, make yourself  happy and pay $10,000 for a Les Paul copy. Subsequently, feel  free to brag about it on The Gear Page.

Like I said, I'm of the opinion no solid body guitar should cost that much. No where near that much, when a $2500 LP would do equally well.

Let me know if you'd like to discuss arcthop guitars next.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 07, 2010, 07:14:26 PM
Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waster of other forummembers time??

+1 !!!

-2

As in losers.

Nice L6S from the 70s there. I'm sure you need a real Dumble to bring out the tone.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: bluesfendermanblues on February 07, 2010, 08:22:18 PM
Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waster of other forummembers time??

+1 !!!

-2

As in losers.

Nice L6S from the 70s there. I'm sure you need a real Dumble to bring out the tone.
:'(


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 07, 2010, 08:58:37 PM
Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waster of other forummembers time??

+1 !!!

-2

As in losers.

Nice L6S from the 70s there. I'm sure you need a real Dumble to bring out the tone.
:'(

So you don't want  to talk about archtops. I understand. How  about the Schrodinger Wave Equation? Always a hot topic on guitar boards.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: Pickmaster on February 07, 2010, 09:43:52 PM
Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waster of other forummembers time??

+1 !!!

-2

As in losers.

Nice L6S from the 70s there. I'm sure you need a real Dumble to bring out the tone.
Hey, yospam,

Tone is in the hands of the player not in the amp! Believe me I can make cheap transistor amp sound pretty nice. Here is an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXy-Iv44Mvw

Now you show us what you can do music wise instead of cheap talk about how quantum state of a physical system changes in time, subject about I personally don’t give a shite!!!


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 07, 2010, 09:54:07 PM
Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waster of other forummembers time??

+1 !!!

-2

As in losers.

Nice L6S from the 70s there. I'm sure you need a real Dumble to bring out the tone.
Hey, yospam,

Tone is in the hands of the player not in the amp! Believe me I can make cheap transistor amp sound pretty nice. Here is an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXy-Iv44Mvw

Now you show us what you can do music wise instead of cheap talk about how quantum state of a physical system changes in time, subject about I personally don’t give a shite!!!


That is good. Transistor amp you say? Not an Ethos? SansAMP?

As for me, I'm a jazz  and fusion player, not much the blues player. You wouldn't like me. I even play fast at times, like Larry Carlton used to, before he was shot in the throat. I'm the kind of guy that would much rather listen to Kurt Rosenwinkel than Jimi Hendrix, who has always bored me to tears.

Physics is  all around, whether or not you accept its existence. If you can  make a buck off it, so much the better.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 07, 2010, 10:12:22 PM
Why are your remarks often provokative and premature?? IMO an utterly waster of other forummembers time??

+1 !!!


Getting back to the subject matter, how  much difference with the gain cranked up, do you think you'd hear, from Ford's LP copy, to a real $300,000  '59 Les Paul, to even a PRS?

If my SG, LP and PRS are  any examples, the difference isn't much, especially between the Gibsons. Thus, I find it hard to justify buying the Michael Bloomfield '59 LP for $7300.

Amps area different matter, I could see owning a few OTS models alone, along with some competitors.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: Pickmaster on February 07, 2010, 10:15:29 PM
Hey, you must be my long lost younger brother!
I play jazz fusion too and nobody plays faster then me –
Here we go http://www.drika.biz/john.mp3
Talk is cheap, show me what you can do, post your clips, I might like it.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 07, 2010, 10:22:11 PM
Hey, you must be my long lost younger brother! ;D
I play jazz fusion too and nobody plays faster then me –
Here we go http://www.drika.biz/john.mp3
Talk is cheap, show me what you can do, post your clips, I might like it.


No, you're trolling for anything to use against me. I don't play that game. I need  not prove  anything to non-perfect strangers on the net, who mean nothing to me.

I do own an archtop worth more than 10 OTSs however. I rather like it.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: hywelg on February 07, 2010, 10:34:30 PM
PLease tone down your rhetoric yos. You are trying to incite a response in order to have a flame war. Not appreciated on here. This is not tgp and to my knowledge no thread has had to be taken down because of this sort of nonsense.

We talk about amps, we talk about tone. We DO NOT demean other peoples opinions.

Don't rise to it Doc, please.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: yosemitespam on February 07, 2010, 10:44:01 PM
PLease tone down your rhetoric yos. You are trying to incite a response in order to have a flame war. Not appreciated on here. This is not tgp and to my knowledge no thread has had to be taken down because of this sort of nonsense.

We talk about amps, we talk about tone. We DO NOT demean other peoples opinions.

Don't rise to it Doc, please.

Nobody demeaned  anyone until I said $10,000 was too much to pay for a solid body guitar.

Glad I didn't say $50,000 was  too much to pay for a real Dumble! Imagine all the hate mail I'd get!

Thankfully we have Nik instead. Think of Nik as providing for your child's college education. $49,000 doesn't go as far as it once did, but we'll take it.

Hmmmm, Saint Nik isn't too far fetched.  I say we make it so when his tube D-lator hits the market, soon, $160  did I hear????


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: carl999pop on February 14, 2010, 11:28:58 PM
Hey Yos - chill out man! No need to get offensive. We're here because we like to discuss Overtones not kick each others arses.....ok?

Back to the question: yes, I'm a new Bluesmaster user and I think it's awesome for jazz....I've done my first gigs with it this weekend.  Did a quiet jazz set on Friday with my Howard Roberts Fusion and it sounded really really good! My HRF has got flats and it sounded really fat yet crystal clear at the same time. Second set was a jazz/funk set and I played my 335 and got a really nice Larry Carlton thing going.
Did a wedding on Saturday with a rock band and played my Les Paul all night....ohhhhh.....got a great Marshall thing going and couldn't believe how good it sounded. I could have played all night! Got several really good comments from both the band and the punters.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: hywelg on February 14, 2010, 11:32:51 PM
Glad to know you are enjoying it.

I think I need one (in addition to my OTS that is!)


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: carl999pop on February 14, 2010, 11:37:27 PM
Where in the UK are you? welcome to come and try mine if you like. I'm in Reading Berkshire.


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: bluesfendermanblues on February 15, 2010, 07:52:40 AM
Where in the UK are you? welcome to come and try mine if you like. I'm in Reading Berkshire.

Now, that the spirit!  8)


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: hywelg on February 15, 2010, 10:27:53 AM
Where in the UK are you? welcome to come and try mine if you like. I'm in Reading Berkshire.

Cheers, but I don't need convincing ;D Just need time to put one together (Plexi50 to finish first, then Warmoth strat repray/rebuild to complete)


Title: Re: OTS as a jazz amp?
Post by: mcinku on February 15, 2010, 11:48:42 AM
Glad to know you are enjoying it.

I think I need one (in addition to my OTS that is!)

Ohhh yes you do, trust me on that.
 ;D