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I stumbled on some loop buffering options I thought folks might be interested in:

1. Here's a kit from London Power with tube buffering and level controls for $115:

http://www.londonpower.com/kits/bfx.htm (http://www.londonpower.com/kits/bfx.htm)


2. Here's the Radial BigShot Mix - again buffering and level controls - looks like they go for $139:

http://www.tonebone.com/re-bigshot-mix-detail.htm


3. I mentioned the VHT Valvulator in another post - tube in the circuit, provides buffering but not level control, and they are mostly intended for use before the amp but can be used in the loop - they go for $200 to $250:

http://www.vhtamp.com/product-news/valvulator1.html (http://www.vhtamp.com/product-news/valvulator1.html)


I'm not sure how viable these might be for anyone's particular application, but thought I'd pass them along.

why not get the kleinulator?

I was checking out the Radial Mix some time ago, but I couldn't figure out whether it could be used in the loop and it says:


Q: Can I use the MIX in between my amp’s send and return loop on the back of the head?
A: Yes! Just keep in mind that this should be a guitar level send and return which most amps will be equipped with. Check the amp’s owner’s manual to be sure.

Do you think its ok for the Overtone?

thanks

Marin

The Overtone loop is pretty hot.
My Intellifex overloads on Clean with PAB engaged with the same
settings as with my Bogner in the Line level loop.

I wonder if this would work as a buffer/blender?

http://www.prosoundcommunications.com/english/xotic/effects/x_blender/


M.

I have an Ironsounds loop in my d'lite and it works extremely well.  I have a second set of boards sitting on my bench and I've been pondering implementing the unit somehow into the Overtone.  There's no way it will go in the chassis so I have to figure out how to effectively mount it "on" the chassis and keep the wire runs as short as possible.  If that works it will be the least expensive buffered solution.  If I ever get around to installing it I'll post the results.

I was actually thinking that a loop buffer as only needed for folks that wanted to use regular pedals in the loop and that products like the kleinulator were hard / expensive / slow to come by - so I thought I was doing the odd poster a favor, but now you guys got me thinking ...


I was trying to to figure that out too Marin. After I posted I realized they may be intended to create an "effects loop" before the amp (i.e. have a group of pedals you can insert and remove from your line up). From their response, it seems like it shouldn't be used in the loop of an amp like the Overtone. I assume by "guitar level" they mean "instrument level" which is -20dB. The loop of the Overtone runs higher than that - although according to my rack gear it never exceeds "line level" (0dB) even with the preamp volume pretty high and the PAB engaged.

The X-blender is the same type of product as the MIX, so I don't think that would work either.

My understanding about the Overtone effects loop is that it is a typical "insert" style loop:

1. There is no buffering - it sends the signal right out of the preamp near or at line level
2. Its a series loop - there is no mixing of the signal send out with the dry signal from the amp unless the gear you are doing does that. It is a series "make or break" connection - preamp out, power amp in.

This is why using standard effect pedals in the loop of an amp like this is generally a bad idea. They are not designed to handle line level signals, but rather instrument level signals. And they often don't allow a mix of the wet and dry signals.

I have used rack gear or gear that can handle line or pro levels in the loop with great results. I'm currently using a TC Electronic G-sharp for reverbs and delays and I love it! But short of using rack gear the Iron Sounds loop Chris mentioned sounds good:

http://mysite.verizon.net/resqaaya/products.html (http://mysite.verizon.net/resqaaya/products.html)

Also, heres some info on effects loop in general. I found this to be a great education!

http://www.londonpower.com/FX-faq.htm (http://www.londonpower.com/FX-faq.htm)