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« on: July 05, 2011, 06:38:33 PM »

hi all can anyone tell me what valves you guys are using / recomend with an OTS .any info on vavles would be great.
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 11:29:59 PM »

Hey man

Right now Im running all NOS or Almost NOS

V1 GE 12ax7
V2 Sylvania 12ax7
V3 philips JAN 12ax7

V4&5 Sylvania 6l6GC ANOS

none are the infamous blackplates, which I have yet to try

Sounds great but there are many good combinations depending on price range

What are you using now?

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It sounds much better with these than it did will all new production JJ's
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 11:40:06 PM »

In Bluesmaster, #102 (RF) and #183

V1: NOS GE 12ax7 JAN (or JJ ECC83s if you want a cheaper alternative)
V2: do
V3: Sovtek 12ax7 LPS

V4 & V5: winged C 6L6 / Winged C EL34B
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 11:53:20 PM »

In my 50w HRM with LNFB switch, a pretty esoteric mixture:  (I'm a tube collector)

V1 Adzam 12ax7s,
V2 Blackburn Microtech e813cc,
PI Philips MIniwatt shortplate,
power tubes RFT el34's,

C-lator Telefunken ribbed plate ecc83.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 12:43:02 AM »

I have a Bluesmaster and I'm using ANOS GE 12AX7 long plates in V1 and V2 and a Mullard CV4024 in V3. I use either TAD 6L6WGC's or JAN Phillips 6L6WGB's in V4 and V5

I use a 7025 (low noise 12AX7) in the C-Lator
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 03:03:26 AM »

I guess I'll post my humble set of all regular production tubes.

Preamp tubes are all Tung Sol RI 12AX7
Power Amp= TAD 6L6 WGC STR

They sound great with my HRM 50.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 03:17:32 AM »

Keep them coming guys!!! Good stuff!

What's the best (good selection and reasonable) US online suppliers of quality tubes?
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 03:37:25 AM »

@soundperf...

I'd be willing to bet that lots of the youtube "OTS family" of amp clips are coming from amps that use new production tubes...    Those tones are what prompted me to get my HRM 50!  If it works, is reliable, and you as well as others like the tones, well WTF is wrong with that???  Nothing!  

For my amp I selected each tube specifically for each position, each had to compete against many other choices, each won their little individual "tone contests" for a given position, and none of them are immune to being kicked out of their special spot if I roll something else for that particular position and I end up liking my personal tones better as a result. When the basic tones slightly changed after new amp burn in, I started rolling and swapping out.  The only tube left from the original tube mix a few months ago is the tube in the c=lator.  But that's what happens when you have slowly built up a hoard of more than a hundred vintage tubes to play with...

The only tones I ever chase are the ones I wish for myself about. And that often changes when I play in a mix with other instruments playing out, it's the mix tones which have the highest priority for me.

To each his own, and I've yet to discover a greater possibility of more varieties in tone palettes than within the OTS family of amps, hats off to the big guy and those online amp building fanatics, their "mad scientist" projects, the sharing of info and results, and the equally fanatical commercial amp builders who took things from his wonderful foundations of amp designs and made things better for so many guitarists, rich and not so rich, but all picky about what they want.

Now to really open up the worm can it would be fun to hear why certain tubes were chosen for each position from those posting here.  I'm gonna wait until this thread gets bigger before I toss in my one penny's worth of reasons for my selections.

Peace.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 03:53:50 AM »

While I was building my BM 50w there was a very detailed thread on tube selection. A lot of detail was thrown around about the relative merits of various esoteric and hard to find tubes in the various spots in these amps. But when it came time to buy some tubes for my amp, I just went down to the closest music store (which happens to be a really great one) and bought some brand new tungsol 12ax7's and a matched pair of JJ 6L6GCs. And they sound fantastic! While I'm pretty sure if I started messing with a good sized collection of older tubes I'd probably find stuff i liked better, for the moment I'm happy.

And I may get some impetus to experiment soon - I have a mesa boogie mark iv on the way here, and I gather it may need new tubes. May be time for some mixing up!
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 04:28:16 AM »

I agree! Mine sounded awesome with JJ's and Sovteks, I just like a lil warmer sound, which is why I swapped out for what I have now. There are probably literally hundreds of OTS amps running new production or non boutique tubes that sound fantastic! What it comes down to is finding what YOU like, if that comes from "cheap" tubes, so be it. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 05:58:10 AM »

Well, I intentional use new production tubes in my amps only... I have two big reasons for it...

1.) Currently own 5 amps, if I would use NOS tubes for all of them I would become insolvent  Grin
2.) Once I settle on the tubes I usually mod the amp to suit me best... if I would do this with some rare NOS tubes, I would mod my amps quite often. With easy to get new production tubes this is not a problem.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 06:47:42 AM »

These are my choices lately (nothin but NOS all around Smiley :

 For the standard HRM I dig: RCA short grey plate 12ax7a's for V1 & V2, Long Plate Raytheon's for the PI.

 For the Bluesmaster circuit: Amperex (Short Plate) Ecc83's in V1 & V2, Long Plate Raytheon's in the PI

 NON-HRM
(183) GE (JAN) 12AX7wa's in V1 & V2, & V3
(Ojai) RCA (short Plates) 12ax7a's in V1, V2, Telefunkin Halo getter's in the PI

Amperex (short plate's ONLY) in the Dumbleator ( even if you don't want to spend the $ on NOS for your amp, they make a huge difference in this position)

New production:

--C-- 's or Ruby's for the Power amp whether it be an EL34 or 6L6.


NOS preamp tubes can be found at a decent price, I highly recommend them, IHMO they do sound better.

Telefunkin's are very bright and Sound great in the Bluesmaster V1 & V2 also



If you want to get new production preamp tubes here's what I'd get:

 Mullard Ecc83's (New Sensor)
 Sovtek 12ax7wa's are ok too

 Tung-Sol 12ax7's are garbage IMHO (I got 50 of these before and ended up with 10 that sounded & tested strong, when they are good they sound great though, they do have a history of failing too)
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 05:46:07 PM »

Tung-Sol 12ax7's are garbage IMHO (I got 50 of these before and ended up with 10 that sounded & tested strong, when they are good they sound great though, they do have a history of failing too)
How long ago did you purchase these tubes? Also, where did you buy them? I think I remember reading this was the case a while ago, but the quality control has improved. That's a bunch of bad tubes.

I will probably look into trying different preamp tubes sooner than later, especially in the PI. I'm sort of in the same camp as "mcinku". For me good guitar tone is so elusive, that when I find it, I don't want to quickly mess with it. Having said this, I'm rather certain if I had a bunch of NOS tubes to experiment with, I would.  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 08:04:28 PM »

,really good to hear all your choices , mine has tung sol 6L6 gc and a mixture of pre amp valves two have no markings at all and the last is a edicron ,what do you guys recon ? change em all ?,only just got the amp and it's my first ceriatone ,so i'll be asking lots of questions ,am willing to spend on decent valves ,just which ones? ,i like the tone smooth ,not too bright ,all ideas welcome..ps my tung sols arn't like normal size 6l6 [say jj's ] they seem to be bigger like big bottle kt66's if you get me,,says tung sol made in russia 07 07 ?? any good or shall i bin em.  pps has anyone tried a 12 AY7[lower gain] valve in v2 if so what was it like?..
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« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2011, 10:19:52 PM »

Tung-Sol 12ax7's are garbage IMHO (I got 50 of these before and ended up with 10 that sounded & tested strong, when they are good they sound great though, they do have a history of failing too)
How long ago did you purchase these tubes? Also, where did you buy them? I think I remember reading this was the case a while ago, but the quality control has improved. That's a bunch of bad tubes.

I will probably look into trying different preamp tubes sooner than later, especially in the PI. I'm sort of in the same camp as "mcinku". For me good guitar tone is so elusive, that when I find it, I don't want to quickly mess with it. Having said this, I'm rather certain if I had a bunch of NOS tubes to experiment with, I would.  Wink


 It was last year actually so it's quite possible. Mullard Ecc83's are my favorite out of any new production tubes though.  they're a little bit more $ but worth it IMHO.
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