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Title: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: yosemitespam on March 13, 2010, 06:32:51 AM
It's finally on the Ceriatone website, $160 kit, $250 assembled.

The assembled version seems to be about 1/2 the price of anything like it from Glaswerks, D'Lite, QuinnAmps etc.

All we need now is a new rackmount OTS preamp.


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: bobbyd123 on March 13, 2010, 04:21:48 PM
I saw the new c lator on the website.   what is this unit all about?


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: rane008 on March 13, 2010, 08:57:37 PM
I asked Nik about it and he said it was a clone of the D-lator in a real tube-driven format.  The Klein is a FET version, this one is a rack mount tube version.  In any event, I'm ordering one of each today (with my HRM Bluesmaster 100w!) so I'll let you know in a couple of months. 


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: bobbyd123 on March 13, 2010, 10:12:04 PM
already have the Klator, is the clator something that I really need?


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: boldaslove6789 on March 13, 2010, 11:26:18 PM
The Kleinulator in the solid state equivalent of the C-lator. They are only necessary if you use effects and you don't necessarily need to buy the C-lator. They are both used as impedance matching devices and the C-lator contains a 12ax7 instead of a J-Fet chip. The Kleinulator was invented to be a lower cost alternative to a tube based unit. The C-lator is a copy of the Dumbleator and to my knowledge you will get a different sound with it also. I would suggest buying the C-lator if you have the Bread to. If not your amp will suffice with the Kleinulator.   


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: mnjordan on March 18, 2010, 09:42:45 PM
I ordered a C-Lator to pair up with my HRM.  Should be about another 5-6 weeks. 


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: hans on March 20, 2010, 01:46:42 PM
Why does every body use these things,i am happy with my Boss GT-10 in front of the amp.Is my sound getting better with one of those ---lators?, and how?


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: Pickmaster on March 20, 2010, 02:39:04 PM
Why does every body use these things,i am happy with my Boss GT-10 in front of the amp.Is my sound getting better with one of those ---lators?, and how?

Well, It all depends what sound, tone you ara after.
The beauty of the Dumble (good clone) is in it’s preamp section and D preamp is actually very high gain circuit! With external pedals you are adding unnecessary noise and you are changing the TONE. The best tube amps for the processors are stereo power amps like VHTs, Mesa etc. or non reverb, one channel tube amps with low gain inputs: Hiwatt, Bassman, old fender BASS guitar tube amps etc.
On the other hand you can try GT-10 in the FX loop in D style amp. Because GT 10 has input and output gain regulation and high impedance input it will work well. Also you can use it’s EQ section and noise reduction with loads of nice effects.
You can do all this with C-lator plus TC Gmajor which will also switch amp’s channels with MIDI or any other good reck unit.
My favourite guitarist Allan Holdsworth uses loads of processors together with two tube amps and sounds incredible (IMHO).
Anyway whatever makes you happy that’s the way to go.
Cheers


Title: Re: New C-Lator or Smartulator?
Post by: boldaslove6789 on March 20, 2010, 05:29:31 PM
Why does every body use these things,i am happy with my Boss GT-10 in front of the amp.Is my sound getting better with one of those ---lators?, and how?

 Some say D-amps will sound multi-dimensional with a D-lator ( Impedance matching device).. The D-lator is 100% necessary when using time based effects (chorus, flaging,etc.), reverb, etc in the passive effects loop. It corrects the impedance swing coming back into the power amp and acts as a buffer also. When using certain line level pedals etc. the dumbleator will alternatively let you achieve more headroom without clipping the Effects box. Most Pedals and some rack units usually can't handle the impedance swing and are desiged to go between the guitar and amp. Also when using reverb in front of an amp that has Overdrive it tends to sound really bad.

 It also contains the ability to be used as a final master volume for your amp, you can fine tune your favorite settings + volume then tune the volume on the D-lator to taste. With that feature you will be able to get all the good tones without keeping the neighbors up at night. 




 The recovery stage of the d-lator is where all the magic happens in most cases.



 Here's an Amp Garage Link to more on this issue

  http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9503&highlight=

 Here's a link for info regarding Wet/Dry setup with a Suhr MiniMix II

  http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10608

 A link with talk about a Series/ Parellel D- lator
 
  http://ampgarage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10865