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« on: January 17, 2011, 11:10:56 PM »
I'm about to buy a lexicon lxp-1.
Has someone experience with that unit in D-style amps?
Since it has in- and output controls i guess a D'lator is not necessarily needed? Can you confirm that?

Thanks in advance!  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 12:42:22 AM »
Hi Thilo
No not really, you can get by without it.

In the early days of having my amp I ran a Visual Sounds H2O through the loop without a D'Lator, it sounded OK.

But a D'Lator does add more Dumble'ish tone to the amp and the effects have more of a 3D Quality / Depth to the sound, it's worth getting one just for that.

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 06:41:30 AM »
Quote from: Nairbr on January 18, 2011, 12:42:22 AM
Hi Thilo
No not really, you can get by without it.

In the early days of having my amp I ran a Visual Sounds H2O through the loop without a D'Lator, it sounded OK.

But a D'Lator does add more Dumble'ish tone to the amp and the effects have more of a 3D Quality / Depth to the sound, it's worth getting one just for that.

Cheers
Brian

Totally agree about 3D and small (but important) compression that the D'later adds to the sounds.

, I've spent 3 years building AND tweaking 4 dumble clones (#102, Bluesmaster, HRM, OTS50) only to realise that you need the dumblelator with 180-200p cables to/from the amp in order to get the tones right.

You can tweak forever, but the dumblelator is an essential part of the system....even if you don't use effects in the loop.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2011, 09:00:49 AM »
Completely agree.  I have spent the last 3 years tweaking my original OTS50 through different circuits, ending up with "Ojai" (#102) specs.  The D-lator with 200pf cables is integral to my sound (which does not sound like RF or LC or anyone else, just helps with the shaping of the chewy tone I look for).
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 05:40:42 PM »
What is the cheapest way for a D'lator? (I live in Germany)
The Klein? Or is the C-lator a lot better?
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 06:18:32 PM »
If you are going to use the LXP-1, check out Kimock.
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2011, 08:10:44 PM »
Sorry if this is a newb question but what do you guys mean by 100-200p cables?

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2011, 08:17:17 PM »
They are cables that measure between 100pf & 200pf in capacitance.  Mine are made from teflon cabling & Switchcraft ends.  I ordered from Glaswerks in AZ, Gary's a great guy (his SODII amp is on my wishlist!).  Good luck!
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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2011, 08:23:37 PM »
Quote from: DboyBlues on January 18, 2011, 08:10:44 PM
Sorry if this is a newb question but what do you guys mean by 100-200p cables?

Thanks in advance!



The cables have capacitance which will manipulate highs depending on how much PF they are.



Quote from: Thilo278 on January 18, 2011, 05:40:42 PM
What is the cheapest way for a D'lator? (I live in Germany)
The Klein? Or is the C-lator a lot better?

IMO the C-lator is more high def sounding than the Klein. The Klein has less headroom also.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 08:50:29 PM »
Wow ok! Thanks Bob and Bold!
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 09:40:10 PM »
Agree with bold about the klein, It only for home practice levels, if I get my master vol above 3 (9 o'clock) it starts to clip and sound bad.

Go for a C-later, you won't look back
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2011, 10:44:41 PM »
i just watched the demo marin made about the c-lator. i have to say i liked the sound without the c-lator better. Brighter and more bite. Was like a blanket before the speaker with the c-lator. Is this what it does to the sound or is it just a preferred setting of marin?
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2011, 11:27:37 PM »
The only way to get the experience of a c-lator is to plug it in and hear it for yourself. I can say that it changes the whole response of the amp in a good way. It adds a slight compression, a 3D effect, and gives you the ability to crank your masters on the amp and use the Level control to turn down the overall volume. If your using time based effects then a Dumbleator type device is a must IMO.
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2011, 12:45:14 AM »
Where is your dumbleator? (C-lator) somebody asked Larry Carlton.
Oh this piece of shit! Replied Larry and I totally agree, not because that Larry said so but because it really changes the tone of the good amp for worse, unless it’s a parallel one.
Probably it makes an average amp sound bit better.  Wink
I’ve tried three of them. Two made by bludotone end one by C which is very similar to bludo.
Get the parallel one or go for Suhr mini mix, fuchs Tube FX loop or Verbrator.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2011, 08:49:13 AM »
Quote from: Pickmaster on January 19, 2011, 12:45:14 AM
Where is your dumbleator? (C-lator) somebody asked Larry Carlton.
Oh this piece of shit! Replied Larry and I totally agree, not because that Larry said so but because it really changes the tone of the good amp for worse, unless it’s a parallel one.
Probably it makes an average amp sound bit better.  Wink
I’ve tried three of them. Two made by bludotone end one by C which is very similar to bludo.
Get the parallel one or go for Suhr mini mix, fuchs Tube FX loop or Verbrator.


I can't live without this piece of shit; you have to make your amp a little brighter(master bright cap). It should be fine then.
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